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  • TBs from Arabs, WBs from Arabs, etc. etc.

    my TB mare traces back to the Darley and Godolphin Arabs.
    my WB (the mare's cousin) traces back to the Darley Arab.
    both thru Man O' War.
    lots of Arab blood in TBs and WBs (the european WBs).
    lots of TB blood in european WBs.
    we all owe the Arabs!

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    • Originally posted by Samrdr1 View Post
      Guess where the TBs came from.

      Tom N
      Only one of the three stallions is thought to be an Arab now.
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      • Original Poster

        Originally posted by wlrottge View Post
        Only one of the three stallions is thought to be an Arab now.
        Huh? What/who do you mean?

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        • Aren't one or two considered to be Barb now?
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          • Original Poster

            Here's a fun quiz for you:

            Which are foreign-bred?

            http://anglo-arabians.com/AAs_Foreign.htm

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            • The Goldolphin (sp?) Barb is one.

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              • Arab lineage?

                Originally posted by allanglos View Post
                What is his registered name? I can look him up for you and let you know his heritage.
                Allanglos,
                His registered name is El Rachmaan. There is a picture of him jumping in TCOH March 21 2008 issue, last picture in the new section "from the judge's box" on page 41 if you subscribe the magazine. And if you'd be kind enough, can you also tell me what our other arab, Precious Ring's heritage is as well? Thanks!
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                • Original Poster

                  EL RACHMAAN - AHR*507878

                  Foal Date 28 Apr 1994
                  Color Bay
                  Gender Gelding 02 Jun 1997
                  Sire EL IBN JABASK
                  AHR*380238 Bay 1987
                  Dam NW SILVER GEMINI
                  AHR*418039 Bay 1988
                  Dam's Sire SX STALEYS GEMINI
                  AHR*101097 Bay 1973
                  Parentage Blood typed. Parentage verified.

                  Breeder JOSEPH R KIRSCH
                  Owners CLAUDETTE L MO 14-August-2004
                  SALLY A FLATH 28-February-2004
                  DENNIS R WOLF OR SALLY A WOLF 29-April-1995
                  JOSEPH R KIRSCH 28-April-1994



                  OFFSPRING:


                  EL RACHMANOFF AHR*544500 01 May 1997 Stallion Bay
                  DUDES JOYCE AHR*545609 21 May 1997 Mare Bay
                  KATARINAVALENTINE AHR*559866 15 Feb 1998 Mare Bay

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                  • Original Poster

                    PRECIOUS RING - AHR*302501

                    Foal Date 17 May 1984
                    Color Bay
                    Gender Gelding 03 Jul 1989
                    Sire *PIERSCIEN
                    AHR*148139 Bay 1971
                    Dam SHARIA ANITA
                    AHR*90769 Bay 1972
                    Dam's Sire G-AMIGO
                    AHR*25401 Bay 1963
                    Parentage Blood typed.

                    Breeder CONRAD H JOHNSON
                    Owners CRISTINA M VAUGHAN 01-June-2004
                    THERESA A EADES 02-September-1999
                    KARLA A MORSCHHAUSER 07-November-1994
                    STEPHEN AND SUSAN WIEGEL 17-February-1990
                    STEPHEN AND SUSAN WIEGEL AND WILLIAM MOYER 15-October-1986
                    CONRAD H JOHNSON 17-May-1984

                    OFFSPRING:

                    RINGOS STARR AHR*411369 30 Mar 1988 Stallion Bay

                    Has a long show record including a National Top Ten and several Regional Top 5's in CEP Driving.

                    I can email it to you if you like.

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                    • Original Poster

                      C;mon, email your guesses to peg@anglo-arabians.com and I'll compile them.

                      Here's the quiz:

                      http://anglo-arabians.com/AAs_Foreign.htm

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                      • So what type of arabs are they?

                        Thanks for the lineages of El RAchmaan and Precious Ring. Sorry for the ignorance, but that makes them of Polish lines, or what?

                        The first has become my daughter's Pony Club horse. He seems to like jumping and is a very safe and sane mount. The second is our very dear "pony" who taught my daughter everything about riding, building confidence, fast gallops in open fields riding bareback, jumping and dressage. They are still competitive in dressage even in his "ripe" age of 24. Gotta love these versatile arabs! Too bad there is prejudice against them in the eventers' world. Not that I expect our younger horse to ever go above training level, but that's good enough for a Pony Clubber and a teenager that is not overly ambitious. She sure has fun with him and I feel safe as the mom - what else could I ask for?
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                        • Original Poster

                          The first one is Polish.
                          I noticed that you have submitted his competition record to AHA - good for you!

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                          • Originally posted by pegasus44 View Post
                            The first one is Polish.
                            I noticed that you have submitted his competition record to AHA - good for you!
                            If you're referring to El Raachmaan, how do you come to that conclusion? There's a boatload of Crabbet and some Davenport and Egyptian in there. The tail female is the Blunt mare, Rodania.

                            Yes, there are lines to Bask and to Witez II, but they're hardly the majority of the pedigree.
                            (No offense, I'm just a pedigree geek.)
                            "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                            ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                            • Original Poster

                              Just knew I recognized Polish names in there...not a bloodline person at all!

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                              • Thanks!

                                Thanks to both Pegasus and Ghazzu for the info. I love my 2 arabs but know nothing about lineages and was always curious about them. What is Precious Ring? I know his sire was imported from Poland so that makes him at least half Polish, but what is on his dam's side?
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                                • Originally posted by clm08 View Post
                                  Thanks to both Pegasus and Ghazzu for the info. I love my 2 arabs but know nothing about lineages and was always curious about them. What is Precious Ring? I know his sire was imported from Poland so that makes him at least half Polish, but what is on his dam's side?
                                  Since it's hideously hot and humid here, and I'm trying to avoid work, I'll do a little pedigree analysis on them for you, and post it later
                                  "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                                  ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                  • Original Poster

                                    Here are the answers to the quiz posted at:

                                    http://anglo-arabians.com/AAs_Foreign.htm


                                    1. US bred (Arzab - 50% Arabian)
                                    2. French bred (Hobby du Mee 59.71% Arabian)
                                    3. US bred (Coreographer 50% Arabian)
                                    4 . US bred (Gadd John Dee - 50% Arabian)
                                    5. French bred (Mamzelle de Dun 35.31% Arabian)
                                    6. US bred (Waterfoot Larriken 50% Arabian)
                                    7. French bred (Gypsy de Bacon 43.53% Arabian)
                                    8. US Bred (Victoria Regina 25% Arabian)
                                    9. US bred (Discotheque 50% Arabian)
                                    10. US bred (Rumrunner 25% Arabian)
                                    11. US bred (Goshen 50% Arabian)

                                    No one got them all, but some were close! Nice Anglos we breed here too!

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                                    • I did not go back through this thread to see if the mare Fachoudette had been mentioned.
                                      Is she Anglo-Arab or Selle Francais (or is that the same thing???!!! now?).
                                      Saw somewhere breeding:
                                      Kachou AA - La Bassondette AA x Massondo (?)
                                      What pct Arab and TB?
                                      She performed exceptionally well at Badminton:
                                      www.badminton-horse.co.uk/feeds/2008_news.aspx

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                                      • P.S. Rider Georgie Davies

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                                        • Original Poster

                                          Fachoudette is 44.68% Arabian.

                                          An Anglo Arabian can also be an SF, but an SF isn't necessarily an Anglo.

                                          SFs usually have some part TB in their pedigree (called Demi-Sang), which can be part French Trotter, etc. Anglo Arabians can only have Arabian and TB and no less than 25% or more than 75% of either.

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