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  • #21
    Originally posted by purplnurpl View Post
    One of the most famous Anglo-Arabs in the US...Windfall II.
    Therefore Darren's youngsters out of Windfall have lots of Arab blood in them.
    He's a Trakehner/TB cross. Yes, he's 1/4ish AA, but technically...

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    • #22
      One of the nicest most athletic youngsters I ever sat on (and the first one I started from the ground up! ) was a lovely, leggy Crabbet bred gelding. He was a fantastic mover and I think if I'd gotten more time with him I would have found out that he was a fantastic jumper, as well. Sadly, his owners were morons and sent him off to their niece to barrel race, of all things. It STILL kills me, because A) I was still pretty dumb about nice horses then and I KNEW he was a nice one, and B) He was totally wasted. It wasn't much longer after he went barrel racing that I came to the boss...what would he be doing if I'd gotten some total dumb luck moment and gotten to bring him with me?

      Anyway, my time on that little farm with that barn full of Arabs and arab crosses (my favorite was this fat little QH/Arab cross that moved like a frickin Grand Prix horse! I'd trot her around the little standardbred track behind our farm, and would see her toes flicking out in front of her nose!) showed me that Arabs are AWFULLY cool little horses. That was drilled home during our time in Aiken this winter. Our "hostess" was a huge fan of Arabs (the little desert kind. I don't know what "breeding" they were classified under, but she called them little desert horses) and had had her hands in breeding them for years. She had a few on the farm, including a couple of ancient little mares who were sound as could be and more than obliged to truck little kids around and jump. Her favorite little mare, I swear to God was older than me, was starting to teach her oldest daughter about xc right before we left. So CUTE.

      The little bits of time I have spent with Arabs also makes me firmly believe that Paco is got some in him somewhere...he is scary, scary smart, like an Arab. and looks like it, too.

      Inschallah is in the BFG's parentage. I think this is what makes him smarter than the average warmblood. Doesn't stop him from behaving like an average WB, though, sometimes
      Amanda

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      • #23
        Originally posted by yellowbritches View Post
        That was drilled home during our time in Aiken this winter. Our "hostess" was a huge fan of Arabs (the little desert kind. I don't know what "breeding" they were classified under, but she called them little desert horses) and had had her hands in breeding them for years. She had a few on the farm, including a couple of ancient little mares who were sound as could be and more than obliged to truck little kids around and jump. Her favorite little mare, I swear to God was older than me, was starting to teach her oldest daughter about xc right before we left. So CUTE.
        This "hostess" doesn't by any chance go by the name of Paula O., does she?
        "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

        ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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        • #24
          This makes sense to me that Arabian blood would be good for the world of eventing. If you just look at the Arabian breed in general they are athletic and have great endurance and are often a popular mount for endurance riders. We could use a lot of the breeds characteristics to our advantage in the sport. I have always been a fan of the Anglo's and wouldn't mind owning one myself.

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          • #25
            Worked at the same farm as MTshowjumper, and a lot of those fancy Selle Francais had a LOT of Arab and Anglo-arab blood in them. One, now with Leslie Law, was branded SF, but was at least half Anglo. They only imported the best they found for sale, and they were great movers, fancy jumpers and pretty darn tough for the most part. I wouldn't turn one down...
            Leap, and the net will appear

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              #26
              Originally posted by MTshowjumper View Post
              I agree, I was at a barn that imported a lot of horses from France. After they took a trip to France they would show us the video of them trying all of the horses including a lot of anglo arabs. The french anglo arabians are not at all like our arabians/anglo arabians. They have a completely different build, and they are a lot bigger. In fact I was surprised when they told me what they where. You could hardly tell the difference between them and the Selle Francais.
              The French breed Anglo to Anglo over and over, producing a more consistent type. Same with the SF (Arab/TB and a dash of Fr. Trotter)

              Here, not many go back to another Anglo from their first generation...they don't know they CAN!

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              • #27
                Originally posted by MTshowjumper View Post
                I agree, I was at a barn that imported a lot of horses from France. After they took a trip to France they would show us the video of them trying all of the horses including a lot of anglo arabs. The french anglo arabians are not at all like our arabians/anglo arabians. They have a completely different build, and they are a lot bigger. In fact I was surprised when they told me what they where. You could hardly tell the difference between them and the Selle Francais.
                I find a lot of nice Anglos if the US. And actually, I bet most can not tell the difference if given a line-up of US vs French Anglos.

                So, lets give it a try. There are two French anglos out of the seven that I will post pics of. Try to guess which two are the French ones
                Attached Files
                The Inverted Y
                Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
                www.allanglos.net

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                • #28
                  Last two of the seven.
                  Attached Files
                  The Inverted Y
                  Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                  2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
                  www.allanglos.net

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                  • #29
                    I rode an Anglo-Arab eventing mare in France in the late 60s and remember her well, a ton of fun! She wasn't big, about 15.1 if I recall, and more Arab than tb. As far as I know she never met a fence she didn't like.

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                    • #30
                      Originally posted by LisaB View Post
                      I think you don't see much arab blood here in the states is because in Europe, the arabs are still bred for sport (endurance mostly). So they are different than the arabs here.
                      I breed for sport, and here are some of my Purebreds. I think they are "sporty" There are many more like them in the US, you just have to look at the Arabian Sport Horse shows and the breeders that supply them to find these types of Arabians in the US.
                      Attached Files
                      The Inverted Y
                      Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                      2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
                      www.allanglos.net

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                      • #31
                        I'll take a crack at it! I say the first and last pics are European bred. They aren't as 'dishy' and have a bit more meat on them. Trying not to prejudice myself because they don't have that crappy hunter position in Europe!
                        but nice horses! Thanks!
                        Even duct tape can't fix stupid

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                        • #32
                          Chiming in to raise a point of some importance--

                          The French Anglo Arab is a whole different animal from an F1 TB/Arab cross. The French AAs have their own studbook which is actually older than the Selle Francais book. As I recall, most of the great AAs which were used in warmblood breeding or for eventing or other sports were not first generation hybrids.

                          If you want to engage in a multi-generation US breeding program, direct F1s are the place to start. Otherwise, using Anglo Arabs that are in the French studbook would probably be the most sensible way to develop a part Arab eventer for immediate use.
                          "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
                          Thread killer Extraordinaire

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by LisaB View Post
                            I'll take a crack at it! I say the first and last pics are European bred. They aren't as 'dishy' and have a bit more meat on them. Trying not to prejudice myself because they don't have that crappy hunter position in Europe!
                            but nice horses! Thanks!
                            I will reveal the answers after a few more give it a try. BTW, #1 is age three. The last one is age 17. The others are all in their prime.
                            The Inverted Y
                            Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                            2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
                            www.allanglos.net

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                            • #34
                              I'll hazard a guess....

                              I'll take the horsies behind doors number 4 and 7

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                              • #35
                                Originally posted by seeuatx View Post
                                I'll hazard a guess....

                                I'll take the horsies behind doors number 4 and 7

                                my guess too.
                                ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                • #36
                                  Wait!

                                  Are all the photos of TB/Arab blood without the addition of WB crosses?

                                  I'm going to guess 5 and 7, but have no idea why.
                                  "I'm a lumberjack, and I'm okay."
                                  Thread killer Extraordinaire

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                                    #37
                                    None have anything but Arab and TB

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                                    • #38
                                      OK, drum roll please

                                      Here are the answers:

                                      1. A US bred Anglo. 16.1H. 50% Arab
                                      2. A US Bred Anglo. 16.2H. 50% Arab
                                      3. A US bred Anglo. 16.2H. 50% Arab
                                      4. A French bred Anglo. 15.2H. About 27% Arab.
                                      5. A US bred Anglo. 16.3H. 50% Arab.
                                      6. A US bred Anglo. 16.3-1/2H. Full brother to #1.
                                      7. A French bred Anglo. 16.2H. 57.9% Arab.

                                      You guys guessed pretty good. As you can see, the US also breeds nice, big Anglos. And the French also have smaller Anglos, as the smallest one in the above group is a French made one.

                                      So, if you are shopping for an Anglo, no need to go overseas. We have fabulous ones right here!

                                      BTW, #1 and #7 are stallions. The rest are geldings except for #4 is a mare.
                                      The Inverted Y
                                      Thoroughbred and Anglo Arabian Sporthorses
                                      2005 and 2007 USEF Breeder of the Year.
                                      www.allanglos.net

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                                      • #39
                                        I didn't see that anyone mention Russian arabs. Muscat threw very athletic babies with great bone, height, and well muscled. Belesemo Ibn Trad throws excellent crosses. I for one have a Ibn Trad baby who is almost 4 and is 3/4 arab and 16.0 hh. For the most part Russians and Polish were exempt from the halter "conformation" breeding. I love the minds. With the "fragility" of the of the TB more infulux of arab blood should increase the conformational integrity which is what we all want. now all this is just IMHO.
                                        ___________________

                                        "The root of all greatness is the Arabian." ~

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                                          #40
                                          I forgot about the half-Arabian that Vanessa Fenwick events named ERODIUM. Bred by Tamarillo's breeder, out of an Arab mare and by a DWB.

                                          She also had the Anglo DHUNDHU by Arabian Dhruv out of a TB mare, but he died last year, also the same breeder.

                                          Here's ERODIUM:

                                          http://anglo-arabians.com/Images/Erodium.gif

                                          http://anglo-arabians.com/Images/Erodiumdr.gif

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