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  • Eventing Nation Responds....What do you think?

    In the spirit of fairness, non-snarkiness and an overall need to allow you all to see this new development free from the 11 page wonder thread, please allow me the chance to highlight that Eventing Nation has responded to the Infringement issues raised by me.

    Here is the link: http://eventingnation.com/home/2011/...en-series.html

    I do believe it's a nice thing they're willing to do for Eventing Photographers. In my haste I honestly missed the "one time use" verbage. With that in place I believe it's a nice olive branch.

    ~Emily
    Last edited by Xctrygirl; Aug. 8, 2011, 03:49 PM. Reason: Adapting to my re-read thoughts.
    "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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    I think it's big of them to respond and try to reach an amicable resolution. I am no expert on the subject at hand so I'll just say that I am happy that they seem to be doing better with crediting the photogs whose photos they are using. I don't think, in the great scope of internet media, there is a truly efficient way of policing the internet. If there was, blogs like Tumblr would be illegal and there wouldn't get any photos anywhere. I'm not defending hotlinking or taking photos by right clicking but I do think EN is making an effort to at least police themselves and establish a working relationship with photographers, which is more than you can say for a lot of others.
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      #3
      MustangSal

      I completely agree. The effort is appreciated from me.
      ~Emily
      Last edited by Xctrygirl; Aug. 8, 2011, 03:50 PM. Reason: Updating to be with my current thoughts.
      "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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      • #4
        "2) Send either a .jpeg or a link to several of your photos that you would like to be featured and include a description of the photos.* To make sure that the photos are protected, they can be watermarked as much as you like and we will only publish them once and only in the post promoting your business."

        I see this as EN's way to promote photographers and their businesses, not as a way to gain a bigger photo library. I don't have an issue with it.
        You know you're a horse person when your mother, who has no grandchildren, gets cards addressed to Grandma, signed by the horses, cats, and dogs.

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        • #5
          I don't follow your logic.

          How does the EN series you linked set up for a potentially worse problem? (by which I think you mean the problem of photographers not getting paid for use of their photos).

          Edited to add: I interpret the EN series the same way PonyGal08 does, promotion of equine photographers and their business.
          Last edited by 53; Aug. 8, 2011, 03:04 PM. Reason: noted in post

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          • #6
            I think that EN has admitted a mistake, has settled the issue with the photographer in question (per her post on the other thread stating it was resolved BEFORE XCGirl started her thread), and now has gone even farther by offering free promotional opportunities to photographers to promote their business on the website and/or have links added to shows where they will be shooting and selling photos.

            If photographers want to take advantage of free PR and advertising, they can choose a photo, write a promotion and send it in. They don't have to do so and since they control the content of the photo, they don't have to choose a photo that supports EN, in any way. What exactly is your problem?

            I don't know you and I don't know John. What I do know, is that you seem to be on some sort of personal vendetta.

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            • #7
              i cant believe that there is a second thread about this!!!!!!!!!!!
              Last edited by evntr5218; Aug. 8, 2011, 03:27 PM. Reason: spelling

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                MustangSal

                The effort is appreciated even if I don't quite get what they're offering now.

                ~Emily
                REALLY?!?! ... because that certainly is not coming across in any way.

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                • #9
                  THIS^^^^

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                    #10
                    Re-reading it again... OK just saw the one time submission.

                    Then yes it's a nice thing that they're doing for Eventing photographers.

                    ~Emily
                    Last edited by Xctrygirl; Aug. 8, 2011, 03:19 PM. Reason: It took a 3rd re-read to see the one time use part.
                    "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sonoma City
                      Is there anything that he could do that would make you happy at this point? If your post was in the "spirit of non-snarkiness", you have issues. I crown you the Queen Snark. You made your point on the previous 11 page thread, why create another negative thread about the same issue when they have made a genuine effort to resolve it and go beyond what they had to do?

                      Go Eventing.
                      ditto

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                        Re-reading it again...


                        On the surface it looks good.

                        ~Emily
                        Again, not what is even REMOTELY coming across in your posts.

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                        • #13
                          I see this as EN saying "our bad, we'll do better in the future." The new series they're offering is a chance for the pros to promote their business via a profile in EN, a link to their site, and they can show some examples of their work in the profile. Not much different from their rider profile series. Good on EN.
                          The big guy: Lincoln

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sonoma City
                            Is there anything that he could do that would make you happy at this point? If your post was in the "spirit of non-snarkiness", you have issues. I crown you the Queen Snark. You made your point on the previous 11 page thread, why create another negative thread about the same issue when they have made a genuine effort to resolve it and go beyond what they had to do?
                            Amen. Emily is like a dog with a bone, and she just won't let go.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                              What I am questioning is *IF* the submitted picture or pictures by a photographer to promote their business will then become property of EN and possibly be used in other parts of the site without that being the submitting photographers intention.

                              On the surface it looks good. It's after the intial submission that I wonder about.

                              ~Emily
                              So now you are accusing John of lying?! He specifically states in the post that the submissions are for one time usage.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                                Re-reading it again...

                                What I am questioning is *IF* the submitted picture or pictures by a photographer to promote their business will then become property of EN and possibly be used in other parts of the site without that being the submitting photographers intention.

                                On the surface it looks good. It's after the intial submission that I wonder about.

                                ~Emily
                                If you, as a photographer, don't like what's under the "surface," then don't submit a photo. Are you a photographer? If not, then why you are still posting about this?

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Xctrygirl View Post
                                  Re-reading it again...

                                  What I am questioning is *IF* the submitted picture or pictures by a photographer to promote their business will then become property of EN and possibly be used in other parts of the site without that being the submitting photographers intention.

                                  On the surface it looks good. It's after the intial submission that I wonder about.

                                  ~Emily
                                  EN says explicitly that it will not re-use the photos outside of this:

                                  "To make sure that the photos are protected, they can be watermarked as much as you like and we will only publish them once and only in the post promoting your business."

                                  If a photographer does not trust this statement, they are free to not take part in the exercise, but I don't think it is intended to be a photo-stealing venture. I think they are honestly trying to give back by allowing event photographers free advertising. Sort of like the rider profiles, but for businesses.

                                  I'm not an expert on the business, but it seems that a lot of photographers publish promotional photos in print, or portfolios on their websites as a means of advertising their skill, as opposed to selling those particular images, so the idea that they might want to do that as part of a business profile on EN doesn't sound crazy.

                                  I don't know, I guess we will see how many photographers take him up on it.

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                                  • #18
                                    Well, at least it's out thee in black and white then.

                                    If you join a contest of this sort, it pays to read the small print.
                                    I don't see professionals submitting anything, but hey.

                                    but yeah, not sure how the 'becomes property of' byline works with photos etc...

                                    Good grief, people, why the nasty?
                                    I thought Eventers were the sane horse folks.....
                                    Originally posted by BigMama1
                                    Facts don't have versions. If they do, they are opinions
                                    GNU Terry Prachett

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                                    • #19
                                      It doesn't appear to be a contest. I don't see this as any different from the rider profiles or new to eventing profiles. They're just offering to promote business for pro photographers. Can't we just take this at face value and back off? Sheesh.
                                      The big guy: Lincoln

                                      Southern Maryland Equestrian

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                                      • #20
                                        How big is the axe you caryy

                                        Emily,

                                        I am starting to get a picture of a personality that either has a big personal axe to grind, has closet feelings for John and was left unrequited, or you enjoy trolling this and other forums for attention.

                                        Okay, I'll bite this time (though I sloughed through all the other 11 pages and refrained from comment).

                                        Unless you wanted to use the words "Free Advertising", I think the intent was clear.

                                        "To make sure that the photos are protected, they can be watermarked as much as you like and we will only publish them once and only in the post promoting your business.".

                                        It seemed clear to me. He offers people who make money from taking pictures at eventing shows the opportunity to promote their business through the use of words and pictures; pictures selected by the photographer. On top of that, he offers to link the photographer with the show so it is clear to interested parties who was taking pictures (even more free advertising).

                                        For Pete's sake, stop already. Even more so, he not only apologizes, he accepts responsibility and sets up processes to try and police his site. I hope your not looking for blood sacrifice or the burning of oats under full moon for pure absolution. How about you take a deep breath and accept an apology, forgive a mistake, and move on to the next troll topic.

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