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    Instead of hashing and re-hashing whether a horse sculpture should have been in a SJ arena, I believe that we should be more concerned about the fact that there are only 49 eventers at the NAJYRC's this year.

    Area8 does not have one rider there this year, even on a combined team!

    Is the YR program broken?

    Why the decline in the number of eventers participating this year?

    Has the tenure of CMP caused the decline?

    Does anyone even care?
    When in Doubt, let your horse do the Thinking!

  • #2
    Well, Area V sent 8 riders (5 * and 3 ** riders), which is the most we've sent in a long time, so we're doing our part!

    I'm really proud of all our Area V YRs, they've all done a fantastic job to get there! And they picked fantastic jog outfits, one of our one star riders is the featured photo on the USEA website right now.

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    • #3
      Ontario sent the most we've sent in a while. 2** and a full team and individuals to the 1*.

      I think we've got a really good chance aswell! Go Ontario 1* and Canada 2**!

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      • #4
        I was disappointed to see no Area VIII. Where are you all??

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        • #5
          I just posted a similar question on EN...was wondering the same thing. This year Area IV doesn't have a full team at either level, and in years past there has been major competition to make the teams. Is it harder to qualify now or do the YR's just not care anymore?
          No Trouble
          2/2/05 - 7/29/13
          Rest In Peace my quirky brave boy, I will love you forever.

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          • #6
            One of my friends took her daughter to compete this year, and just the cost alone was well over $5000, so this may play a factor if parents send there child or not, some family's just can't afford that right now. This might be one factor why there aren't full teams.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Carried Away View Post
              Is it harder to qualify now or do the YR's just not care anymore?
              ... or are their parents less able to pay for it now?
              --
              Wendy
              ... and Patrick

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              • #8
                I thought about that...but honestly, many of the YR's from my area are out competing every weekend, several on more than 1 horse, so I don't think $$ is the issue for them.
                No Trouble
                2/2/05 - 7/29/13
                Rest In Peace my quirky brave boy, I will love you forever.

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                • #9
                  Not as a complaint, in other words, don't want to hear about all the rich kids born with siver spoons in their mouths, or how their parents can buy them the expensive horses,(whew) but it is a very expensive proposition. The year we went to CO it was every bit of 10k to get it done.
                  The qualifications are hard to get, but I don't think they should be changed, because it would lose its importance of being an FEI Championship.
                  Then you have to be able to present a sound horse. And a lot of them don't get that far.
                  As far as Area Viii, there was only one kid qualified for the 2*, I believe there were a few qualified for the 1* but for whatever reason did not apply.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Divine Comedy View Post
                    Well, Area V sent 8 riders (5 * and 3 ** riders), which is the most we've sent in a long time, so we're doing our part!

                    I'm really proud of all our Area V YRs, they've all done a fantastic job to get there! And they picked fantastic jog outfits, one of our one star riders is the featured photo on the USEA website right now.
                    AND the photo is by one of our former young riders whose horse is laid up, but who is still there helping his team. Go Area V!
                    --Becky in TX
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                    • #11
                      I think there are a couple of reasons:

                      1) There has always been a natural ebb and flow in NAYJRC numbers. SOme years there have been close to a 100, others with more like 30. That may simply be the case now.

                      2) Money. Not just from the parents, though that is certainly a factor, but also within the area itself. A lot of fundraising is done to help defray the costs, and fundraising for ANY cause is tough this year.

                      3) (warning, soapbox time) when they turned the * in to a junior competition, IOW 18 and under only, they really took the legs out from under this championships, and turned it in to a competition which is comprised mainly (unless you are just incredibly lucky) of trainers kids and rich kids. It used to be a sixteen or 17 year old kid could buy a nice young horse or OTTB and with help from a good trainer, could be running at the * star before they aged out at 21.

                      These days you almost have to have a going horse to make the time cut offs. IOW if you are 15 who has only gone novice and want to do the * you're going to need a horse going at least training, if not preferably prelim. If you are 17 and only going Novice, or even Training, you need a ** schoolmaster.

                      The exception to this is trainers kids, but largely because of the access they have to horses, and the fact they probably were riding and competing earlier in their lives than the average civilian kid.

                      (Now, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying here, these kids at the championships are all admirable, hard working kids who have really accomplished something awesome. I'm not saying these kids aren't deserving, but I am saying that we aged and priced a lot of people out of this game).

                      4) and Finally, I think the age of the barn rat is passed. I have a couple good teenagers in my barn. Dedicated riders, who come every day to see, ride, or care for their horse. But not a single one of them is here any longer than necessary to accomplish their tasks and duties with their horse for the day. None of them has ever asked if there were extra rides to pick up. That's because in addition to the riding, this summer alone they are (among the three of them): attending summer school, doing an internship, getting certified as a rescue diver, playing softball, soccer, and basketball in "summer league" in prep for their regular high school sports, and working.

                      Given this, all of these kids and their parents have decided they are not interested in pursuing YR in terms of NAYJRC. They don't want to spend the money, and to them riding is just one of many activities. They love it, they are dedicated, but they are not willing to give up all the other activities to dedicate all that time and energy to riding.

                      Good luck to all the kids competing this year!
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by PhoenixFarm View Post
                        These days you almost have to have a going horse to make the time cut offs. IOW if you are 15 who has only gone novice and want to do the * you're going to need a horse going at least training, if not preferably prelim. If you are 17 and only going Novice, or even Training, you need a ** schoolmaster.

                        The exception to this is trainers kids, but largely because of the access they have to horses, and the fact they probably were riding and competing earlier in their lives than the average civilian kid.

                        (Now, please don't misinterpret what I'm saying here, these kids at the championships are all admirable, hard working kids who have really accomplished something awesome. I'm not saying these kids aren't deserving, but I am saying that we aged and priced a lot of people out of this game).
                        This is very well said. I agree with your entire post, PhoenixFarm, but particularly this portion. These kids are INCREDIBLY hard working, and I would never hold it against them (as others sometimes do) that they are able to purchase horses who have been there, done that.

                        But yeah, I would say this is generally true. There are exceptions for sure. Two of our two star riders this year are there on their 'young project' horses after their 'experienced pro' horses didn't work out. The 'young project' horses ended up stepping up to the plate and working out better than the 'experienced pro' horses. One of our one star riders purchased her horse when he had only done a single Training. Another one star rider is here on a new (to her), 'experienced pro' horse, but made the one star team last year with a horse she had bought off the track. These kids work really hard to be where they are, and I see no problem with them using their available resources to continue the learning process.

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                        • #13
                          Is there any talk of changing the age rule for the 1*? It does really seem to take out a lot of kids who might otherwise want to participate.
                          ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                            Is there any talk of changing the age rule for the 1*? It does really seem to take out a lot of kids who might otherwise want to participate.
                            I think that it has been discussed and considered, but apparently the age thing applies across all of the disciplines and dressage/show jumping aren't interested in changing the age limit.

                            That's all I know about it.

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                            • #15
                              I'm just not sure all the appeal is there for it any more... I mean, I have TONS of friends who could have qualified and stuff but didn't, opting for AEC's and USPC stuff instead. IMO, I'd opt for the AECs at Prelim or Intermediate instead. It's not an FEI championship, but it's still a championship.
                              Trying a life outside of FEI tents and hotel rooms.

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                              • #16
                                BFNE, in answer to your question....

                                At the Area I annual meeting two years ago (Jan. 2010) Kevin Baumgartner and Malcom Hook attended to field questions from the Area I membership. I asked this question of them, as the previous fall, an online petition went around and gained many signatures supporting changing the age cut-off back to 21 for the CCI*, but at the national annual meeting, the idea was turned down. This issue is somewhat near and dear to my heart, as I qualified for the CCI* the year the rule was changed, and I was 19.

                                The petition had specifically asked that the USEA/USEF bring up the rule change proposal with the FEI, as ultimately, the age cut-off is an FEI decision. Malcom basically said that while everyone at the USEA prefers that the limit be moved back to 21, the USEF's hands are tied for a couple of reasons - the age limit brings it in line with European standards and the standards of the other disciplines at the NAJYRC (dressage and show jumping have had junior and YR division for a lot longer than eventing). He said that they already know that the FEI would turn down any request to change it. I appreciated his answer, as he made it clear that the PTB did not like the rule either.

                                It is unfortunate that this is the case, as I feel very strongly that the rule edges out a lot of talented and hard working young riders who just take a little longer to peak - especially in a time where safety is of the utmost importance, I see no reason to have a rule in place where it potentially pushes juniors to move up the ranks faster than they should. And please, don't misunderstand me, I think that all of the juniors and young riders that are competing this weekend are capable, talented, hard working, and deserve to be there, I just think that the the new age rule potentially sends to wrong message.

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                                • #17
                                  Babble, please correct me if I am incorrect, but wasn't the 18-21 CCI* run as a non-championship?
                                  I know when it was held in VA 2005 or 2006 the 14-18 CCI* and the 16-21 CCI** were Championships, but there was a non championship CCI* for those over 18. IIRC it was run as a long format.

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                                  • #18
                                    Sad to see no one from Area VIII! Good luck to all competitors, wish I could be there to support my friends!
                                    "Red on the right, white on the left, insanity in the middle."

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                                    • #19
                                      SLR, that change happened, if I remember correctly, in 2005. So you are right, but that three-division format only happened for a couple of years at most. Up until then, both the CCI* and CCI** divisions were long-format and open to under 21 year olds. I think that Brian and Penny Ross, as great supporters of the long format, devised what you described to both keep the long format alive and try to accommodate older CCI* riders who were no longer eligible to compete when they organized the championships right after the rules were changed. The non-championship long format didn't didn't last too long, probably because of low interest and difficulty of running a long format three day (an all too familiar tune ).

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                                      • #20
                                        RE: Phoenixfarm:
                                        "4) and Finally, I think the age of the barn rat is passed."

                                        Maybe in some areas, and maybe in the NUMBER of barn rats. But they're still around - I've got three of them, aged 27, 22, and 18!

                                        And we've got a group of teenaged (and younger) kids who would never leave except their parents require it. They come (to help!) at 6:00 a.m. when allowed, they pitch in all day (riding and cleaning and grooming and whatever else needs to be done). They've stayed up all night helping with foaling. I'm convinced they'd move in tonight if permitted. Will they ever make it to NAYRC? Maybe, given the opportunity. Will they always love horses? Definitely. And, IMO, it's a wonderful way for them to grow up whether they ever set foot in a show ring or not.

                                        I would suggest that, rather than fewer barn rats, there might be fewer opportunities due to insurance, liability concerns, and the continuing loss of riding land and facilities. We've received working student applications from 8 year olds!!

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