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Just getting around to asking this: Impressions of this pedigree, please?

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  • Just getting around to asking this: Impressions of this pedigree, please?

    http://www.pedigreequery.com/innspired

    If anyone is around who can analyze it, I'd be very appreciative. I like the My Babu in it, but it's far back, as usual. What about Secretariat and Mr. Prospector -- have they had any significant influence in eventing? I've heard a lot of stuff about Mr. Prospector and soundness issues, for example. Has that borne out in horses tracing back to him who event -- or are Mr. Prospectors (and same with Secretariat) rare in eventing TBs? If they aren't, does anyone know of other eventers similarly bred? Thanks!
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    Don't know about good for Eventing, but that's some darn good TB blood going on there!

    potential for speed and stamina, at the very least, and MyBabu can only be a good thing!

    Any pics?
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      #3
      I think highly of the mare's talent, but not her looks -- never occurred to me to take pictures!

      However, she does have what I think are a couple of distinct traits. For one thing, she is VERY round, naturally so. From her poll to her croup, she is just built round. She is also quite short-backed and decidedly leggy. Also, long-necked. Moves very fluidly, but I never saw her go under saddle enough to really know much more than what I could see out in the field about her. Trots over four feet without a second thought, though.
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      • #4
        Mr. P is pretty common in many TB's at this point...some will say that it makes soundness a factor, but I have known many TB's that have him somewhat close up that have not had soundness issues.

        I like seeing Graustark and of course My Babu. Some look at the dosage profile as an indication of jumping ability, and hers is quite high at 34!

        Any pics of her??
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          #5
          What about Secretariat? I couldn't find all that many Innkeeper's out there, surprisingly. A gelding out of a Salute the Truth mare is doing well in jumpers, I've been told--and is an impressive specimen, too, apparently.
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          • #6
            Well interestingly she's not a Jockey Club registered animal.

            They've been trying to sell her since last year...

            According to Bruce's website, the dam "Our Staple" is a full sister to JJ Babu.

            Bruce rode her at Advanced and I think CCI*** ( I can see a 2* completion, but not the 3*)

            Here's sire's website: http://enavantstud.com/innkeeper.html

            And she's likely not registered b/c it looks like they do AI, with the sire.

            Overall looks like a nice family.

            There is a nice pic of her half sister by Herocity (OMG DROOL) over on Bruce's Blog from Jan.

            http://brucedavidsoneventing.blogspo...rom-ocala.html

            But I can't see her. Show us some pics of her.

            ~Em
            "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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              #7
              She was sold and I'm aware she isn't registered. I've bred her to Teddy's full brother, but just haven't had the time to really find out much about her besides what I already knew. Today was the first time I even looked up her pedigree. The other day, I finally got around to looking up Innkeeper, too. I've just been too busy.

              I knew her dam had competed into the upper levels, but I didn't know she was JJ Babu's full sister. I really appreciate that information! Thank you.

              But I sure wish I could get some impressions of Innkeeper and Secretariat in terms of the ol' RUN and JUMP. If I were to have predicted this mare's future, I'd have pegged her as a jumper prospect more than an eventer (not that I am all that qualified to judge what makes a top jumper): she's so naturally collectable, round and uphill, and she makes so little effort o/f. She seems far more warmblood-like and definitely NOT your classic TB (in fact, I could tell some WB person that she's a WB and I'd bet you that person would question it).

              It's that type that makes me so curious about how her traits came to be -- and what their potential have proven to be (or may).

              OH, and ah'm NOT going out in this thunderstorm to take pics -- not today! Besides, she's at another farm and, as usual, I'm supposed to be workin'. Maybe when I feed this evening. She likes to run alongside my truck when I'm going up the drive. I might get my sister to videotape her. I do find her self-carriage quite intriguing, too.
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              • #8
                Emily...."Innspired"" (Aka "Sandy") was not registered because it was an AI breeding.
                She was sold from Bruce's to a working student who took her to Fla where she was then injured and last I was told by the girl who owns her she was on a Broodmare Lease while the girl is traveling around Europe.
                Her Dam "Our Staple" competed through Advanced with Buck and she was retired as a Broodmare. She has produced a number of REALLY nice babies that have all gone on to be very good jumpers and event horses. Staple is out of JJ Babu's half sister.

                Pwynn...If there is anything else you would like to know about her feel free to call Bruce and ask him as it is his breeding program and he knows all the family lines and their history.



                QUOTE=Xctrygirl;5741276]Well interestingly she's not a Jockey Club registered animal.

                They've been trying to sell her since last year...

                According to Bruce's website, the dam "Our Staple" is a full sister to JJ Babu.

                Bruce rode her at Advanced and I think CCI*** ( I can see a 2* completion, but not the 3*)

                Here's sire's website: http://enavantstud.com/innkeeper.html

                And she's likely not registered b/c it looks like they do AI, with the sire.

                Overall looks like a nice family.

                There is a nice pic of her half sister by Herocity (OMG DROOL) over on Bruce's Blog from Jan.

                http://brucedavidsoneventing.blogspo...rom-ocala.html

                But I can't see her. Show us some pics of her.

                ~Em[/QUOTE]
                "A little less chit-chat a little more pitter-pat"

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                  #9
                  Me...call Bruce?

                  Why, I'm all a-twitter at just the thought! (I know, I know: I should have done so before, but I'm chicken!)

                  If I work up the courage to do so, I'm tellin' him you said it was OK...

                  (Thank you!)
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                  • #10
                    I like her lines. I mean, you ride the horse not the lines, but lines can give a good indication of potential soundness/talent... and I really like these lines.
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                    • #11
                      LOL.....If you'd like I can have him call you! Just send me a good number to reach you :-)




                      QUOTE=pwynnnorman;5741372]Me...call Bruce?

                      Why, I'm all a-twitter at just the thought! (I know, I know: I should have done so before, but I'm chicken!)

                      If I work up the courage to do so, I'm tellin' him you said it was OK...

                      (Thank you!)[/QUOTE]
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by BigRuss1996 View Post
                        LOL.....If you'd like I can have him call you!
                        Don't you DARE! You don't know the history!

                        You have no idea how silly a bunch of girly-girl pony clubbers can become and the ridiculous things they can dream up while pawing through USCTA News...

                        (Seriously, I'd have to prepare myself with a stiff drink beforehand -- I'd FAINT if I picked up the phone and....Eeek!)
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                        • #13
                          Sent you a PM with all the numbers... just got off the phone with him...he said call anytime he's happy to help with any info... :-)


                          Originally posted by pwynnnorman View Post
                          Don't you DARE! You don't know the history!

                          You have no idea how silly a bunch of girly-girl pony clubbers can become and the ridiculous things they can dream up while pawing through USCTA News...

                          (Seriously, I'd have to prepare myself with a stiff drink beforehand -- I'd FAINT if I picked up the phone and....Eeek!)
                          "A little less chit-chat a little more pitter-pat"

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by BigRuss1996 View Post
                            Emily...."Innspired"" (Aka "Sandy") was not registered because it was an AI breeding.
                            Yep. I saw that and noted it in my original post.

                            And oddly I wondered when I saw her pedigree due to the "our" in front of the dam's name if she may have had some ties to Chesterland.. Reminiscent of my own mare's pedigree, who also came from Bruce!

                            Really neat that she did come from Bruce

                            ~Em
                            "Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all." ~2001 The Princess Diaries

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                            • #15
                              Wynn - I think Innkeeper's owner posts here sometimes as enavantstud - might be worth a PM... And he stood at Hilltop as one of their guest stallions for a couple of years, so perhaps they'd have some info?

                              And, I wonder if you don't see a ton of Secretariats in eventing because he was considered to be a really good broodmare sire, rather than siring popular stallions?

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                              • #16
                                Present her to Zangersheide for approval if you care about such things. They don't discriminate against TB mares without JC papers if the pedigree can be proved. Neither does the Continental Studbook, but you've indicated you aren't interested in them.
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                                • #17
                                  Having had the Class Secrets-- they can be pretty athletic. A lot of his grandbabies have done really well running over fences but of course that is three generations removed from Secretariat. Secretariat was also the sire of Quantum Leap who was a top jumper.

                                  The Mr. Ps are really a mixed bag just because there are sooo many of them that it's hard to generalize. Some sporthorse people can be kind of snotty about Mr. Prospector and the Raise a Native sire line but it shows up in a lot of really great horses (including top eventing stallions like Primitive Rising). We've had a lot of Mr. P. grandbabies that have been really nice, and I certainly wouldn't object to seeing him a pedigree.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by bdj View Post
                                    Wynn - I think Innkeeper's owner posts here sometimes as enavantstud - might be worth a PM... And he stood at Hilltop as one of their guest stallions for a couple of years, so perhaps they'd have some info?

                                    And, I wonder if you don't see a ton of Secretariats in eventing because he was considered to be a really good broodmare sire, rather than siring popular stallions?
                                    But it's not like he doesn't have sons out there, right? I mean, one of fond childhood memories was meeting Command Central, the first son to state in NY State. I have no clue what happened to him, but I don't recall hearing about any of his get in the show ring (not that I was paying that much attention).

                                    HAVE Secretariat's done well outside of racing? I mean, have there been any direct offspring or grandget to get very far in eventing or jumpers? Y'know, I don't even know what kind of movement they might be/have been characterized as having, if any. (Just curious there.)


                                    Edited to add: I can't believe I forgot about Class Secret!! Lovely animal. Thanks Highflyer. Quantum Leap...oh, I remember the name, but not the horse, rider or record...
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                                    • #19
                                      I've wondered about Secretariat too. He's in so many pedigrees but doesn't seem to elicit as strong a reaction as most of the other widespread racing TBs. We don't have 100 threads on him like we do Mr P, Seattle Slew, or Storm Cat.

                                      Just anecdotally the toughest, most sound and athletic horse I ever had was a grandson:
                                      http://www.equineline.com/Free-5X-Pe..._number=857107
                                      He raced for years, on the flat and over fences, evented into his late teens without any maintenance. I sold him at 17 and the PPE vet couldn't believe his lung/aerobic capacity.

                                      Not a great eventer, went prelim and had all the talent, but his technique over fences was strongly influenced by the years of steeplechasing (more of a rideability than a scope issue). But, maybe he never found his rider, or would have been different with a different upbringing. A couple pros passed him on pretty quickly, and I was a reckless kid--he needed someone with more time and patience.


                                      I've had a couple others with it further back (great great) but at that point it's probably too hard to attribute. One is still green and very nice, the other was not full TB and wanted to be a DQ.

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                                        #20
                                        I have a bit of a soft spot for them, too, because my original Teddy (the sire of the Teddy everyone knows) was a grandson -- and, curiously enough, after his death, he was discovered to have had an extra large heart and spleen. That Teddy just didn't know what "tired" meant. If you took his favorite mare away, he could fence-run for days on end, putting foot-deep tracks along his fence line -- and, sometimes, three-legged lame all the while (he had double fractures in one ankle). Kevvie is similarly bottomless.
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