• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Spinoff: Sale horse with DR on its record.

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Spinoff: Sale horse with DR on its record.

    This question formulated for me as I was answering the Vaunted thread and checking my email. I have an AA student we're starting to horse hunt for, and she's sending me ads and websites on a daily basis.

    If one looks like a likely contender, one of my first steps is to check their USEA record. One of the ones she sent me had an extensive, if somewhat spotty record. Lots of good placings with a pro, much more mixed results with what I assume is an AA and a junior.

    However, on his record there is a one-off (that is, he was ridden by someone that did not ride him before or after this competition) in which he was eliminated for dangerous riding.

    Now given the spottiness of the rest of his record, I suspect he's not for my client, but it did lead me to think about what if the horse had a less spotty record, but still the DR, what would I do?

    I realize the DR can be entirely about the rider, and not at all about the horse, but what if he was, say incredibly strong? Or didn't have the best jumping style? Would you run away? I would imagine once you tried the horse in person, you'd have a better feel for what the issue may or may not have been, but what if you couldn't take him xc?

    My general MO is not to rule out a horse over the occaisional booboo on his record, but having DR's starting to appear on those records has given me a new angle to consider. I'm not sure what I think, what about the rest of you?
    Phoenix Farm ~ Breeding-Training-Sales
    Eventing, Dressage, Young Horses
    Check out my new blog: http://califcountrymom.blogspot.com

  • #2
    Eliminated for dangerous riding only once while under someone who has never ridden him before or since? Wouldn't worry about it.
    Against My Better Judgement: A blog about my new FLF OTTB
    Do not buy a Volkswagen. I did and I regret it.
    VW sucks.


    • #3
      I think right now the DR is a little spotty itself. I know of two cases (one that I witnessed and one where knowing both horse and rider, I couldn't even comprehend it) where DR were given and are on record where I wouldn't hesitate for a millisecond over the horses. Both of these were at the upper levels. I would tend to ask honestly what had happened and then assess the credibility of the response. I feel somewhat the same about stops. Some horses stop because it is safer given the rider or because they are being told to. Depending on the rider that may be the better/safer choice than a horse that jumps anything they are pointed at.
      OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!


      • #4
        It would not keep me from trying the horse if I liked everything else.


        • #5
          I think I'd pick up the phone and find out.
          Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
          Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)


          • #6
            I view USEA competition records a lot like I do race records when buying a TB right off the track. It gives me great questions and topics to discuss with the trainer, but that's about all. If this horse is being ridden by an amateur--especially one without much experience--I wouldn't rule a horse out based solely on its USEA record. Look at the horse not the paper, DR penalty or not.


            • #7
              The DR would be added to my list of questions to ask the seller when I called about the horse. If the answer made sense ie. the horse is a 17 hand draft cross and the rider was a small girl not strong enough to hold him, etc. then I would try the horse and see what he was like for myself.

              A DR does not bother me as much as seeing a MR does. Although I guess it all depends on the situation. But unless you saw what happened you are depending on the seller to tell you the truth about the circumstances which I am always skeptical of. Sad, but true.


              • #8
                It's unfortunate that there isn't a database for unrecognized competitions. For a lot of people there are more showings at unrec than rec, simply for financial reasons. It would sure give you a more well-rounded picture.

                As far as DR - I kind think it carries the same weight as TE when looking at a record: if all else was ok than it probably fell on the rider.
                Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.

                The Grove at Five Points


                • #9
                  Well being an owner of a horse and having a rider labeled DR at an event I would not shy away ... I would ask the questions about the situation and the horse. The rider and my daughter were ripped apart on this site, needlessly and rudely. Still own the horse because he is so wonderful. Rider still here and rides him successfully and unsucessfully .. rider issues not horse. Ask the questions and then the question becomes .. are they being up front with you. Try to have a trial time and see if it is a match. Our rider has learned so much on our guy. I will never sell him because he is so unique .. such a dangerous guy .. he walks around on a buckle on/off the farm with a young child (not the rider/event kid) on his back. Again .. ask the questions.


                  • #10
                    I don't really care what is on their record. A DR can be for a lot of reasons. Stops...letter scores...time....rails...bad dressage scores all can be for reasons other than the horse.

                    A perfect record also does not mean *I* can ride the horse.
                    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                    • Original Poster

                      I appreciate everyone's thoughts. I want to emphasize I'm choosing not to pursue this horse for reasons other than the DR. But it was the first time I'd looked at a record and seen one, so I've had to think about what I think about that.

                      I don't view records as the be all end all. But they are helpful in seeing patterns--what levels or types of riders the horse is or isn't comfortable with, etc. I don't expect a horse to have a spotless record, but I do like to feel like I understand the story of the horse told by it's record.

                      I have seen cases where I thought a DR was given incorrectly, and where I thought it was a good decision. When I have agreed with the call I can't say I've always thought it was all rider (though certainly at its most basic level, if the horse is that out of control/jumping poorly/etc. it is the riders duty to pull up). But in terms of a horse with a DR on it's record--well, some of them I'd not think twice before riding, and some you couldn't pay me to get on.

                      Like I said, it was an interesting intellectual exercise.
                      Phoenix Farm ~ Breeding-Training-Sales
                      Eventing, Dressage, Young Horses
                      Check out my new blog: http://califcountrymom.blogspot.com