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  • "Master Rider" age of 40 ridiculously young!

    "Master Rider" forty? Come on, get real, that`s younger than half our Olympic squad riders some years. That`s my children`s age.

    The USEA needs to get into the 21st century about their awards programs. Other sports have catagories, 40-50, 50-60, 60-70, that sort of reality based thinking.

    Not all riders "retire" at 50 or 60 these days, and incentive programs give goals to aim for. Make some changes, USEA.
    http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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    Agree!
    I also think that points should be given down to 8th place (if 8th places are being given) just as they do in USEF Hunter / Jumper competitions. More people might sign up and attend awards banquets.

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    • #3
      Denny, why not submit a rule change proposal, or reach out to USEA board members, or give Jo a call directly? I mean, it's fun to stir up disputes on the COTH board and all, but why not make a call, send an email, or submit a proposal?

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        #4
        I don`t think this is earth shatteringly important, but as the USEA is a service to its members association, I`m surprised that someone there hasn`t noticed how much that policy goes counter to modern demographics.

        I have mentioned this several times, over a number of years, with no positive response. Maybe nobody cares. Maybe most riders quit at around 50. Beats me. I don`t qualify for those awards as a non amateur, so I don`t have any vested interest, except to think it might strengthen membership.
        http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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        • #5
          And given the true definitions of "master:"

          1) Directs the work of others
          2) One who holds a Master's degree from an academic institution
          3) an authority qualified to teach apprentices
          4) an artist of consummate skill

          (from the American English Dictionary)

          I object to the term "master" for a over 40 rider! Yes, I meet the 2nd definition but not the other 3.

          Now I am all riled up.

          Reed

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          • #6
            Denny you sound a bit like my grandmother. She was a national swimming champion, All American, and held many national records in the 80 and Over age group. When she was competing in the late 70s and early 80s there was zero competition in the age group. She was even asked to speak as well as appeared on Good Morning America to promote active lifestyles for seniors.

            She was slower than Christmas so they'd give her and outside lane and continue on with the rest of the meet while she did her laps. She'd be entered in the maximum number of events and of course win them all, meriting national MVP honors for Master Swimming. As she got in her late 80s other seniors took her message to heart and she started to have some competition. When she turned 90 she and her team petitioned for a new 90 and Over age group. They were turned down and it always bugged her that she was expected to swim against those "80 year old whipper snappers!"

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            • Original Poster

              #7
              I enjoy beating riders 50 years younger!
              http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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              • #8
                Well...my thoughts are that my age group and many riders like me probably are the least served, at times, and the most important, at times, than any other demographic group in the organization. We're the money bags but we sure aren't treated like it. My pet peeve is paying for adult rider membership. (We already ARE the membership, why pay extra?)

                I am constantly rattling cages and irritating the PTB with my kockamamie (sp.?) ideas, and this is another one with which I can go bug people. Thanks, Denny!
                Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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                • Original Poster

                  #9
                  I enjoy beating riders 50 years younger because it ticks them off that someone the age of their grandparents can do it!!
                  http://www.tamarackhill.com/

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                  • #10
                    My dad came and watched me at an event for the first time... as we were riding back on the golf cart from my student's dressage, he asked "Whats the age limit for eventing?"

                    I looked at him and blinked... "Age LIMIT?!"
                    Big Idea Eventing

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                    • #11
                      Denny, according to Joe, 30+ is Master, 55+ is veteran in cycling. Considering most of the top cyclists in the Tour de France are 30-37, I think the title of Master has more to do with life accomplishments than age. Just sayin'.
                      Last edited by eventer_mi; Jul. 19, 2011, 04:05 PM. Reason: Terrible grammar for an English teacher!
                      "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Edison

                      So, the Zen Buddhist says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything."

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by denny View Post
                        "Master Rider" forty? Come on, get real, that`s younger than half our Olympic squad riders some years. That`s my children`s age.

                        The USEA needs to get into the 21st century about their awards programs. Other sports have catagories, 40-50, 50-60, 60-70, that sort of reality based thinking.

                        Not all riders "retire" at 50 or 60 these days, and incentive programs give goals to aim for. Make some changes, USEA.
                        The older I get, the more I agree
                        "Everyone will start to cheer, when you put on your sailin shoes"-Lowell George

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                        • #13
                          I really don't mind competing against the youngsters, but it would be fun to have an award for an older age group. One event had a highest scoring pony award. Maybe something like that? At 60 I qualify for old, but as Bn- training competitor certainly not a "master"! What would it be called then? Geriatric? Fossil?

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                          • #14
                            I love you Denny.

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                            • #15
                              More, More, I'm still not satisfied!

                              Oh Boy! What fun we can have with this one, Denny!
                              I want divisions for ALL the levels. It has been ages since I had enough ribbons to re-decorate my tackroom. I'll take any advantage that I can get, by cracky!
                              Intermediate Riding Skills

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                              • #16
                                Seems to be in line with most other sports, where the Masters category typically begins between ages 30 and 40.
                                Flickr

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                                • #17
                                  We could subtract your age from your score and lowest wins! Of course, with Denny the secretary would have to be able to work with negative numbers...

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                                    LOVE this thread! Never give up, people...(Personally, I am just too damned stubborn to give it up. Or perhaps simply in denial about my age and my creeping decrepitude. In either case, I feel as though we "mature riders" should be acknowledged and appreciated. AND served )

                                    I have seen 40 somethings who ride like 20 somethings, and those who ride like 70 somethings. Maybe there should be some sort of physical/mental fitness and/or sanity tests given to event riders in order to "qualify" them as a Master Rider? Or maybe they should rename it "Senior Rider"? Perhaps you should be required to show your AARP card?
                                    "Hope is a good thing, maybe the best of things, and no good thing ever dies."

                                    "It's supposed to be hard...the hard is what makes it great!" (Jimmy Dugan, "A League of Their Own")

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                                    • #19
                                      and Vintage Rider

                                      I certainly agree that 40 yrs old should not a Master Rider be... I was spectating at Stuart this weekend (hope to ride there next year)...and they awarded Master Riders in various divisions. They also had a Vintage award and can you believe Vintage is only 45 yr!

                                      I thought Vintage would be at least 50 if not 60 yrs as it should be. Us older folks need some more incentive to compete.

                                      Mary in Western NY
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                                      • #20
                                        I, for one, would love to qualify for an award in my age group (50+) but at this point, I'm no where near being a "master", however, I do hold a masters degree in aerospace engineering. I think people "our age" should be recognized and given our due and be able to compete against others in the same demographic.
                                        Yogurt - If you're so cultured, how come I never see you at the opera? Steven Colbert

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