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    Have you ever had to scratch from an event? If so, did you receive a refund?


    Depends what the Omnibus says. Some may give a refund if your place can be filled from the waiting list.

    I've scratched twice and did not get a refund, which was according to the Omnibus. I knew that when I sent the entry, it's disappointing but the temp stall and judges have already been paid for!

    You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng


      You SHOULD get a refund of USEA fees, drugs, & meds costs. But you'll never see it, as the organizers will eat it up in "office fees" and keep your money.

      The USEA is aware of the situation and has head in sand (or other parts of anatomy). Protest, NOW!!

      Riders are taking all of the risk in cancelled events and in post-closing cancellations. Say it aint so, Joe (Chicago Black Sox, circa 1919) or Jo (USEA, 2011)!


        Originally posted by Almost Heaven View Post
        Riders are taking all of the risk in cancelled events and in post-closing cancellations.
        Oh good... *THIS* thread again. Almost Heaven: it is crystal clear that you have no idea that ORGANIZERS take huge risks every time they schedule an event. If you can't stomach losing one entry fee, you would never make it as an Organizer... which is fine, but we need Organizers to have a sport.

        Get a clue folks about what it takes to organize an event. Search previous threads on this topic. Volunteer with one of your local organizers to see exactly why refunds are not given. ACTUALLY READ the Omnibus -- every event gives their cancellation policy for refunds. If you send in an entry without having done your due diligence in reading and understanding the one page Omnibus listing for an event, I don't have any sympathy.

        Here it is in a nutshell: Organizers lay out tremendous amounts of money in up front costs WAY IN ADVANCE of the event.... things like hiring officials, paying course designers and builders (work that happens months in advance), renting tractors, water trucks, and other equipment, improving footing, etc. They still have to pay for this even if you don't come!

        I will say it again... I'm not an Organizer. You couldn't pay me enough to do so -- I see how it works. Organizers are NOT getting rich putting on events. Heck, a lot of the time, they aren't even breaking even. Many times they lose huge amounts of money due to low entries, inclement weather, and other issues beyond anyone's control.

        Please don't be so ignorant as to vilify Organizers as greedy. Take some time and educate yourself. No Organizers = No Sport!


          If you scratch before the closing date, you should get a refund, less $25. I believe the organizer has 30 days after an event has finished to refund the money.

          Last year due to an injury, I entered and scratched most of the season last year. I recieved every $ back, less the $25 fee within the 30 days.
          Live, Laugh, Love


            Cantereoin -- OP asked about refunds after the Closing Date.

            Once again, cancellation policies can vary from event to event but are always printed in the Omnibus.


              Just as a personal example, I recently had to scratch from 2 events after closing date due to my horse getting injured in the pasture. I knew neither event had a waiting list. I also knew that both already built the courses, paid for the officials, and one has to pay for tent stabling. My horse not being there, was not going to save them a dime. Maybe just a tad less manure was needed to be removed post event, but not much else. I didn't ask for a refund, nor did I think they would give me one. I *did* luck out for the 2nd event though, because one of my barn mates needed a stall at the last minute and paid me to use mine.

              As others have said--most will try to give you a refund if they can fill your spot from a waiting list.


                the rules say
                EV106.8. WITHDRAWALS. Notification of withdrawal must be given directly to the Event
                Secretary. If the horse is withdrawn prior to 9:00 p.m. on the closing date for entries, the
                entry and stabling fees will be refunded, less an office fee, if applicable, not to exceed
                $25.00. If the horse is withdrawn after the closing date and time, the entry and stabling fees
                may be refunded at the option of the Organizing Committee. If the horse is withdrawn after
                the closing date, and if the Organizer has replaced the withdrawn horse with one from the
                waiting list, the entry fee less an office charge will be refunded. If stabling for the withdrawn
                horse is occupied by another horse, the stabling fee will be refunded. The refund policy
                must be clearly stated in the prize list for the competition.
                But the USEA and USEF fees (including drug fee) should be refunded for any horse that does not start.

                I have never had it offered when I didn't ask.
                Every time i have asked politely, it has been refunded.

                chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.


                  Originally posted by SevenDogs View Post
                  Once again, cancellation policies can vary from event to event but are always printed in the Omnibus.
                  Cancellation policies refer to cancellation of the event, not scratches after closing date.

                  chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.


                    Janet: I asked very politely, once (about a week prior to an event--again, due to horse injury--and I had a vet's note). I was told "no" and that the only time I would get a refund is if they have a waiting list. So, I have never asked again.

                    I usually offer to volunteer for the event too (since my weekend was blocked to be at a show). So I guess I am just a wuss about asking for a refund. Besides, my horses like to have their altercations in the pasture the day before the show--so not a lot of "heads up" for the organizer.


                      We never have a waitlist but we ALWAYS return the Usea and USEF fees. Because we have limited on ground stabling we also will refund the stabling because we normally have on grounds stabling waitlist.
                      Gwen Dean
                      Adult Amature Eventer
                      Erie Hunt & Saddle Club Mini Trial Secretary


                        Originally posted by slp2 View Post
                        Janet: I asked very politely, once (about a week prior to an event--again, due to horse injury--and I had a vet's note). I was told "no" and that the only time I would get a refund is if they have a waiting list. So, I have never asked again.
                        You could try politely asking the TD about it, if the organizer says no.

                        They do not HAVE to give you back the USEF and USEA fee, but if not they have to send it to the USEF and USEA. They can not keep it themselves

                        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.


                          Originally posted by SevenDogs View Post
                          Cantereoin -- OP asked about refunds after the Closing Date.

                          Once again, cancellation policies can vary from event to event but are always printed in the Omnibus.
                          Must've missed that... thanks for picking it up!
                          Live, Laugh, Love


                            I just got a full refund from one of my recent entries that I had to scratch post closing date for limping horse reasons.

                            I had entered on event entries...and hadn't mailed a check yet--I know, I just kept forgetting to do it. Emailed my scratch and they were able to fill my spot and said I just owed office fees. So sent a check for $25 (took me a little while to remember to do this too...I like online pay!!!).

                            But had they not filled my spot...I was ready to send a check for the full entry including fees.

                            I've scratched from a lot of events post closing date over the years. I've gotten full refunds sometimes (like this case), partial refunds and no refund. Depends on the event and what their entries are like. I never "ask" for a refund...they just send a check if I'm getting one...although in this recent case I did ask what I owed
                            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                              I never scratch post closing day expecting a refund. By that point, my money has been spent. If they fill my spot and I can get some money back, bonus!

                              I will communicate with the organizers before scratching to see if there is a waitlist and if there isn't and it works out, we will sometimes give the scratched horse's spot to another horse and/or rider (I once had to scratch Vernon 2 days before an event, but was able to take a client's horse instead). And people have luck with coming here sometimes and giving others their spots. So, you don't always have to lose the money, you just have to think a little creatively. Of course, sometimes you have too much else to worry about than finding someone to give your spot to!


                                Years ago I had to scratch from an event one week prior due to horses injury. Turns out the vet that the organizer had hired backed out. I found a friend to take my ride and stall spots and another friend who is a vet to be the show vet and I still didn't see squat as a refund

                                I just considered it my donation to the general cause of the sport. What are you going to do??



                                  If you have questions about receiving a refund from a recognized event you can always contact the USEA. I had to do this years ago about an entry refund and they helped straighten everything out in a few days.


                                    I never ask for my money back. Twice, seemingly, calculations were done at the end of an event and all people that had to scratch after the closing dates were sent some portion of the money that was not needed. Those were nice checks to receive. I did not expect them. Twice I have lost money when the event was cancelled. Both events suffered from horrific weather. I would have scratched, if the event had been run, so as far as I was concerned it was meaningless. I had a friend who figured she paid to enter and she ran for free. I like to think of it that way sometimes too. When you are out there on CC think I am doing this for free. I just paid for the right to enter the event. By the way, I had a sick horse at a h/j show. I actually got him to the show and he went into a severe allergy attack. They gave me all of my money back with expressions of great sympathy. It was a bit of a strange feeling.