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Which stallions are you breeding your Event mares to and why?

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  • Which stallions are you breeding your Event mares to and why?

    Thinking about retiring and breeding my TB mare. I have some ideas of which stallions I like but I'm curious as to which stallions people are choosing now and why. Where is the sport going to be in 10 years? How do we choose stallions accordingly?
    Hillside Haven Farm
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    I bred a TB mare I have to a Trakhener stallion that belongs to Darren named "Zauberruf" for a foal next year.
    My reasoning?..... I liked him as an individual, he has a wonderful pedigree and he has two foal crops on the ground and from what I have seen I like what he produces. I also spoke to a couple people who bred their mares and were happy with their foals. He is also competing and has a good record.
    The other reasons were based on my mare. She wasn't in the best shape when I got her so I gave her 2 yrs off and being an older mare (18) we weren't sure she would get in foal again so we needed a young stallion with good strong semen. My vet also wanted only fresh and not frozen for her. My vet said he had some of the best semen he has ever received as far as the quality of it.

    I think as well as liking the horse on paper what ever horse you choose needs to compliment your mare and be one you like as an individual as well. They can be great on paper and still not be a really great individual. They can also be a wonderful individual and not be the best match for your particular mare. While a really good stallion puts his stamp on his foals... you have to really look at your mare and decide what you'd like to improve on and what her strong points are and go from there and find a stallion that compliments her not just what everyone else is breeding to. There are also mares with very dominant genes and no matter what you breed them to they reproduce themselves over and over. It's the sign of a good broodmare but can be frustrating if you are hoping to get a foal like the stallion.
    Breeding can be part luck and part planning. We've bred horses for over 30 years now and I've gotten what I wanted 90% of the time but there are always the few suprises. It can be alot of fun but it can also be heart breaking. Most of the time things go smoothly but things can go wrong.

    Good luck if you decide to breed her! andlet us know who you decide to breed to!! : )
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    • #3
      I have a two year old by an "under the radar" Oldenburg stallion named Don Dueto. (Don Gregory out of a Rohdiamant mare). The stallion has incredible movement, great conformation even better temperament, and jumps very well too. Mine was his first foal, but his owner has bred him to 5 TB mares, and all the babies are extremely nice. Not too warmbloody, but great minds and movement you don't generally get from TBs.

      I'm planning to breed my other mare to him next season because I really like how my gelding is maturing, and I think he'll make up into just what I wanted.
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      • #4
        I have a yearling by Formula One out of a TB mare who went Intermediate, and a Hanoverian mare who went Intermediate in-foal to him also. He is a lovely lovely horse and I am VERY pleased with the yearling but she is looking like she is going to be BIG. Looking forward to them growing up and will probably use him again for "sale" foals especially, the market likes them big.... me, not so much, my Prelim horse is 15.2h.....

        The TB mare was in foal to Future Illusion--lovely stallion--but reabsorbed and so far I have gone through about $6K on vet bills (with 2 different stallions, 3 different vets with good reps, 3 different mares, and about 20 heat cycles between them over three breeding seasons) without actually producing a foal via frozen. With fresh shipped and/or live cover we have almost 100% success rate! Not to say frozen doesn't work, we've just had extraordinarily bad luck, hubby will probably divorce me if I ever try frozen again.... :-)

        So I am breeding her to my young TB stallion Seattle Jones, he is only 4 but he is doing extremely well, competing in YEH and BN and some low jumper classes. The TB mare is 15.3h, petite, nice mover, catty, kind of an opinionated brat sometimes....he is 16h, compact and powerful, really lovely mover, excellent jumper, and has the BEST temperament and work ethic, so I think he will complement her nicely.

        The Hanoverian mare is going to get a 'bye' year as we bred her really late last year, she's not due to foal for another month.

        I'm also breeding a 3/4 TB Irish Sporthorse mare to Jones, she is 9, has gone Training with 3 different riders, and she is almost 'too quiet' and could use a bit more suspension in her gaits. Great jump and temperament. While he is very easy to rate due to his trainability and work ethic, he DOES have more natural engine than she does :-) and a nice bit of suspension and natural collecting ability (my dressage trainer loves him), so we will see what he does for her.

        In the future I'd definitely breed to Formula again, and am kind of curious to see how Cicera's Icewater's foals are doing..... he was on my short list but I was waiting to see some offspring results.....

        Jennifer
        Third Charm Event Team

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        • #5
          I have been breeding all of my mares to my stallion (Tatendrang - aka "Tate") and he has actually had a lot of outside interest this year as well.

          Obviously I'm breeding him myself because he is mine LOL, but I do like what he is putting on the ground so far, and his babies seem to be more suited for dressage and/or eventing so far. But he only has one crop on the ground, and he has one foal coming this year (due anyday now) so I don't "put him out there" very much. I have him in training with Andrew Palmer and he is doing well - we plan on bumping him to Training this fall and over the summer we're concentrating on his dressage and SJ skills. We have gotten very positive feedback regarding his potential future from several peopel that would know but we're not in a huge hurry to push him (I want him for the long haul).

          There are a couple of other TK stallions that I really like and have used/will use again it just depends on the mare that is being bred on which horse I would use.
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            #6
            Third Charm, I was looking at Future Illusion since I don't have a huge budget to work with.

            This is my mare's full sister:
            http://www.pedigreequery.com/ultra+lily

            jumping

            confo

            Physically, she's pigeon breasted and can't lift her knees up too high but powers off the ground behind so it's never been an issue. I would love to improve her gaits w/ some WB blood. She is already has a lovely uphill canter but a bigger walk and some bounce and pizazz would be great!

            She's 15.2 and I'd like to stay around the 16 hand size.

            Mentally, she is sensitive. She stresses easily in the dressage arena and isn't super confident XC. I would love to have a baby who wasn't difficult but was a very self-confident XC ride.
            Hillside Haven Farm
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            • #7
              Third Charm how big was the mare you bred to Formula One? I am thinking about him for breeding to next year. You are the thrid person I know who feels his babies are on the bigger side and I like the bigger 16.2 + ones.


              Originally posted by ThirdCharm View Post
              I have a yearling by Formula One out of a TB mare who went Intermediate, and a Hanoverian mare who went Intermediate in-foal to him also. He is a lovely lovely horse and I am VERY pleased with the yearling but she is looking like she is going to be BIG. Looking forward to them growing up and will probably use him again for "sale" foals especially, the market likes them big.... me, not so much, my Prelim horse is 15.2h.....


              Jennifer
              "A little less chit-chat a little more pitter-pat"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by mcorbett View Post
                Thinking about retiring and breeding my TB mare. I have some ideas of which stallions I like but I'm curious as to which stallions people are choosing now and why. Where is the sport going to be in 10 years? How do we choose stallions accordingly?
                I have my TB mare in foal to Cradilo - Grand Prix jumper Irish Draught. He has produced top level jumpers and eventers. He is by Kidalton Gold and has a great sport producing pedigree. I think the my mare will be a great nick for either eventing or the jumper ring There are several RIDs that I have used or plan on using that I think will make great eventers with the right TB.

                I have a 1/4 ID, 1/2 TB, 1/4 Hano that sold in-utero this year to an eventer. I expect it could be an upper level horse
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                • #9
                  I have a 2010 filly by Escudo I out of my TB mare. Boyd had suggested him for my mare as he had bred to him before and thought he would compliment my mare (he and his family have a lot of experience in breeding). I've been very happy with the cross and will likely repeat it at some point.

                  This year I bred two mares for eventers and one for dressage (but it should also jump). I bred my TB mare to Grafenstolz. He himself has done well in both eventing, jumpers and dressage and has proven blood lines (plus he complimented my mare). I also really like the look of what he was producing out of a varity of mares.

                  I bred my dutch/TB mare to a Selle Francais called Desir du Chateau. My mare is the half sister of Rock on Rose by a sire whose lines I also know well. She herself is lovely to. Her date suited her well both as to his conformation, performance, bloodlines and I liked what he is producing (he has several UL jumpers and also a few UL eventers).

                  [I bred my giant 17.3 WB mare to Donarweiss for a dressage baby who will hopefully not be quite as tall as her!]

                  I aimed to produce athletic all around nice horses....ones with good minds but also a good jump and quality movement.

                  Picking a date for them is very tough! Lots of nice choices out there. I'm already thinking about my choices for next year....
                  ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                    #10
                    This is my first time breeding a mare! I've heard it said, which seemed very smart to me, that you should breed to a stallion that is similar to your mare but better to avoid a baby looking like spare parts. Would you all agree with this? Experiences?
                    Hillside Haven Farm
                    From starting gate to start box!

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                    • #11
                      I have a mare bred to Tzigane *Pb*.
                      (fingers crossed she still has her little one when she goes for her 40 day check next week).

                      I've chosen him because I know him personally and I love him.
                      I've ridden a few of his kids and they are awesome.

                      He's evented, SJ to the FEI level, and is now in Germany showing in pure dressage and I believe going to event a little.

                      They all have great work ethic, are quiet, brave and great athletes.
                      He has kids of medium size (sized according to mare) and he's should coupled with a freaking huge neck that his kids get.

                      He mixes really well with TB.

                      and hey, it's not every day that the GERMANS come to the US for an American bred TK and take him back to Germany for breeding.

                      Sara Mittleider owns two Taz kids. Harry Houdini and Semper Fidelis

                      http://www.gestuet-majenfelderhof.de/hengste_taz_e.html
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                      http://kaboomeventing.blogspot.com/
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by mcorbett View Post
                        This is my first time breeding a mare! I've heard it said, which seemed very smart to me, that you should breed to a stallion that is similar to your mare but better to avoid a baby looking like spare parts. Would you all agree with this? Experiences?

                        I don't stray to far from the phenotype of my mare but of course I'm always looking to improve on the parents. So I'm looking for a stallion that will enhance the good qualities of my mares and perhaps improve any weakness that I see. For example, my TB mare is a bit long in the top line. So I pick stallions for her who have a better topline and a propensity to pass on that topline.


                        Here is a different one of my mares (she is dutch/TB) (yes...she is very fat in this picture!).

                        and her date (scroll down for his picture):

                        http://www.morningside-stud.com/DesirduChateau.html
                        Last edited by bornfreenowexpensive; Jul. 10, 2012, 06:48 PM.
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                        • #13
                          I just bred my lovely two star mare to A Fine Romance and couldn't be more optimistic about the cross. My mare is very similar in phenotype to him, but with a hotter more "pro-ride" temperament. He has produced Advanced eventers out of TB mares like mine, and is well known for passing along a great ammy temperament so it was an easy choice for me. Gail is absolutely fantastic to work with also. I was a bit hesitant about a full tb, I wanted 1/2 or 3/4 wb but I think this cross is going to be outstanding. Looking forward to doing the FEH and YEH with the resulting foal.

                          I also had Future Illusion (can't say enough good things about Julie and her knowledge base), Cicera's Icewater and Worthy Opponent on her short-list (Dana is incredibly helpful and friendly). You won't be disappointed with any of these stallions or owners for your TB mare.

                          My mare was *just* bred and is being checked next monday so cross your fingers for a little black dot!

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                          • Original Poster

                            #14
                            My mare

                            Future Illusion

                            Similar enough? He has a shorter back and looks more 'pony-like.' It looks like he might improve her shoulder w/o shortening her long neck.

                            I would love Viney's opinion on the potential coupling!
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                              #15
                              Desir du Chateau has beautiful LEGS! Bet he's as sound as they come
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                              • #16
                                I bred my Oldenburg mare last year to Mannhattan. http://www.avalon-equine.com/mannhattan.html. I love the colt I got out of the cross, so I am breeding my TB mare to him this year. I think I already have the baby sold if it's a colt. If it's a filly, I am keeping it for myself! Very rider friendly offspring that are very talented. Can't go wrong with this guy for brains and talent.

                                Bobbi
                                Bobbi
                                ~ Jus Passed My Zipper aka Spanky, 11yo QH gelding.
                                ~ Muskogee, 2yo Oldenburg Colt.

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                                • #17
                                  Mighty Magic - substance, with lots of sport horse TB lines and winning @ 2 star level - we'll see how his babies do - bred my Prelim/inter mare to him - she needed more movement but also height and more uphill Have another in foal to him for next year

                                  Grafenstolz - fabulous mover, has competed in dressage/jumpers and event Some of the oldest babies @ 2 star level Bred to Riverman mare - we will see if this is also a pro's horse very fancy baby

                                  Quite Easy - good movement, dressage and.jumping ability and rideability - for Riverman mare Offspring seem to have v good temperament

                                  Trying to breed offspring that can also place in dressage and jump if they turn out not to like going xc - need to be able to market to other disciplines since eventers are notorious for not wanting to buy babies....
                                  http://www.cngsporthorses.com

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                                  • #18
                                    Bravo has bred a lot of TB mares this year for eventing.

                                    I absolutely agree with Elizabeth Callahan that these are some of the best event stallions available on the market today. I've looked at them all and hope to breed to some of them also.
                                    But if you'd like to take a chance on a young event sire, born and bred here in the usa, for a greatly reduced stud fee... I'd like to offer...

                                    Bravo...
                                    He has bred a lot of TB mares over the last few years especially for eventing because he adds movement and better hind ends. Many of his offspring from 2007 are in event homes with well proven riders.

                                    Unfortunately, since he's only 7, he doesn't have the proven offspring record of some of the old stallions.

                                    2004 Oldenburg by Bugatti Hilltop and o/o Gauguin's Idea/ Gauguin de Lully (Olympic Champion).

                                    Numerous site champions, premiums, and show wining offspring on the ground. Currently doing exceptionally well at Prelim and we plan to move him to 1* later in the season.
                                    2011 videos of Bravo.

                                    Dressage - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa93ckrdGmI

                                    Stadium- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmbCl2-UUuM

                                    Cross Country- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk55w3MLZBw

                                    Out of full TB mares:
                                    Brimstone

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Giaky...eature=related


                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqg7rfZf3u4


                                    Bandari- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrY_O2oEuoA
                                    Last edited by misita; Jul. 1, 2011, 10:58 PM.
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                                    • #19
                                      You do want a stallion who is fairly close to your mare in conformation. And you need to look at the grandparents, since it seems that they are far more influential that we had previously believed. Don't pick a stallion until you have done exhaustive research on him, his progeny, their accomplishments, his parents and their accomplishments, along with his close relatives--uncles, aunts, sisters and brothers, and halfs of all these.

                                      That said, I'd also look at Lotus T and Navarone. Navarone had an offspring that started Badminton this year. It didn't finish, but the start seems to prove that he's a confirmed 3* horse. Navarone is now in North America. IIRC, he's either KWPN or BWP.

                                      What eventing will be like in 10 years, it seems to me, depends on whether the dressage coefficient is retained and whether the CCI is not replaced by CICs. And if the course designers finally get short format courses right, which they seem to be doing.

                                      For eventing today, the US stallion that seems to have the most get making it up the levels with quite a few at 2* would be Aberjack. I'd say he's the most consistent eventing stallion that we have in the US today, Riverman not excluded. If you're sticking to North American stallions, he's probably the best percentage bet if he's a match for your mare. His 2* horses are performing in eventing as it now.
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                                      • #20
                                        I have an Aberjack mare too--half sister to two of my other horses so it is interesting to see the difference between them. I will probably not be breeding her as while she is nice, my other mares are a bit better but yes, he is a nice stallion and brings some good things into the equation.
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