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  • Am I rightfully mad about this?

    This may turn into a rant real easily... I'm fuming.

    I am riding in a two day clinic next week that takes place at two facilities. The woman, the BM of the facility that is hostingthe clinic on the first day is arranging the whole thing. Entries were sent to her, she's arranging the schedule, etc.

    So two days ago she sends out the ride times for both days. There are quite a handful of riders that are going as Novice so she has made two groups of them it seems. One is going at 7:30am and the other at 10:30. No one was informed of when rides would begin so I had no clue things would start as early as 7:30.

    She put me in the 7:30 group.

    Let's get some things straight now... I am not riding my own horse (she belongs to my trainer),I am atleast a 2 1/2 hour drive from the facility, and another girl from my barn is riding in the 10:30 group. I told the BM all of this right away when I saw the times. Granted, she had no way of knowing this, but like I said, I honestly did not imagine rides starting before 9:00. I also told her that if I was expected to be riding this early I would be coming completely alone since my trainer works overnight and would not be able to come drive with me, let alone see me ride, not to mention the other girl that is coming later. I have no one else to come with me. Boyfriend has work, mom is having health issues that prevent her from driving very long, dad just got a new job and can't ask off. I would be driving into another state alone, which I am not entirely comfortable with. Basically, I would be getting up at around 3:00am to get there in time to feed the horse breakfast and let it digest in time. That is ridiculous to me, especially for a clinic... it's not a show.

    She refuses to put me in the 10:30 group, citing that there are already 5 riders. This seems like a stupid reason because someone in that group has got to be more local than me. I recognized many of the names on the list and I know those people are atleast from that area of the state. I asked if any of these closer riders could be switched with me. I am waiting for a reply...

    Am I being irrational or too demanding by saying I am not exactly willing to wake up in the wee hours of the morning to drive a long distance alone and ride someone else's horse alone when the owner of said horse, and another rider of hers are coming for the second group? My trainer is saying that I should threaten to pull out of the second day of the clinic and demand a refund to see if that will get her to budge. Or, ask the clinician himself if I could join the later group... which I'm thinking may come across as way to bold and conceited looking.

    I really, really do not want to skip the second day of the clinic. I have wanted to ride with this clinician for a long time now and I finally had the money to enter and the horse was available. I do not get to go out often to anything and this is a serious opportunity for me.
    Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
    Thank you for everything boy.


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  • #2
    There are some organizers like that down here. It makes you appreciate the flexible ones.
    I hope someone will switch with you. I'd prefer to ride at 7:30 given th. e choice so maybe you'll get lucky.
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    • #3
      Don't contact the clinician. It is not his job to work out scheduling issues. If you asked about switching with another rider, wait and see what comes of that. You might be stuck with the earlier time- happens sometimes. I've ridden in clinics as early as 7am; maybe this is a lesson to speak to the organizers ahead of time if you are traveling a distance and have time preferences. I wouldn't skip the second day out of spite, though, especially if you want to ride with this person so badly. You need to decide if the ride and the experience is worth the inconvenience of leaving early.

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      • #4
        Why don't you ask someone from the later group if they'll switch with you? And did you ask the clinic organizer if she could switch you with someone else? From your explanation it sounds like you whined about it and asked if she could move you (I totally respect her decision not to add another rider to an already large-sized group), but did you actually ask if there was anyone she could switch you with?

        It doesn't sound like the clinic organizer is being irrational....not terribly accomodating to you, perhaps, but I don't think she sounds in the wrong. Especially if she didn't know your preferences ahead of time. There are a lot of details that go into planning clinics, and I can't blame her for not wanting to move around a bunch of stuff for one rider who's doesn't *want* to go early, but *can.*

        It's your own choice to do a clinic that far away. I often do the same thing. I've been in 7:30am sections many times where I've got a 30 minute ferry boat ride and 2-3 hours of driving time in front of me. I usually plan things to get to the clinic place at or around 7. How much time do you think your horse needs to digest food? I certainly don't worry about that in a clinic setting. I let my horse eat as I'm tacking up and then feed any grain (or whatever else they get) after the session.

        I would take a deep breath, talk to the riders in the 10:30 section to see if anyone would be interested in switching with you, and then go with whatever times work out.
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        Horses in the NW

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        • #5
          Honestly...you are being unfair.

          To me...this is more your problem than the organizers. You can be nice and ask to see if any of the riders in the 10:30 group will switch with you but getting up early to go to a clinic alone isn't a big deal. I have gotten up as early as 3am MANY times for the 2-3 hour drive alone to a clinic or competition---a few times I've gotten up early!

          You needed to have said your concerns (not riding before 9am and wanting to be in the same group as your barnmate) when you entered...not after the times are set. Just use this as a lesson learned.


          Whether you choose to drop out or not is your choice...but if you did, to me you shouldn't get any money back.
          Last edited by bornfreenowexpensive; Jun. 25, 2011, 04:36 PM.
          ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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          • #6
            Sorry, but my opinion is that if you enter a clinic or show, you need to be prepared to ride any time that day (from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm). Since you are eager to ride with this clinician, I am assuming he/she is popular. Why would you ever assume rides would not start until after 9:00 am?

            In a busy clinic or show setting, there will always be times that are better than others. Sometimes you get lucky on the draw and sometimes you don't. Demanding your money back because you don't like your ride time is just plain ridiculous and would be a one way ticket to being deleted from any clinic I organized in the future (and I seriously question your trainer's judgement in suggesting you make threats to try to improve your ride time... totally unacceptable).

            You can always make special requests, but you are not entitled to them. If you can only ride in a specific window, either don't enter or see if the organizer will accept a conditional entry (e.g. if you can't schedule me between certain hours, please don't schedule me at all). An Organizer is not obligated to accommodate you and please don't make such requests simply out of convenience. Guess what? ... no one is thrilled to draw that early slot. Sometimes, you need to suck it up and ride and not play diva.

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            • #7
              Honestly? If no one is willing to switch and you're really looking forward to working with the clinician, you should just go. Yes, the organizer is being difficult. But you're only punishing yourself and I doubt she'd offer a refund. I wouldn't go over her head and talk to the clinician either as that would come across as unprofessional.

              FWIW I routinely have to travel 2 1/2 hours to get anywhere and this happens more often than not, even when I request a later time. My alarm has gone off before 2 AM on occasions.

              I hope someone switches with you. Getting up four hours before the sun isn't my idea of a good time either.
              The big guy: Lincoln

              Southern Maryland Equestrian

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              • #8
                If this is the clinic I'm thinking of then considering that stabling was offered at a very reasonable rate for 3 days, and free day stabling at the XC facility I think you are being a tad unreasonable.

                This is a very popular clinic especially in light of recent events, and they offered a lot of different level groupings and even semi/ and privates. That's a lot to fit into 2 days. Most clinics I have been to start at 8ish, so I'm not sure why 7:30 is such a surprise. And I think it's a little unreasonable to expect the organizer to rearrange other people's schedule to serve you. If you needed to be in the same group as the other girl you could have put a note on the entry.

                I do agree with PNWJumper that you could nicely ask a more local 10 oclock rider if they might switch with you... but they may have their own reasons for not being able to do so. You could also ask the XC facility if you could take the horse there for just that night between and the day stabling for a small extra charge. You gotta do what you gotta do, but I don't think the organizer should have to refund you your money.

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                  #9
                  I do not know anyone in the 10:30 group... recognize some names, but don't actually know them. Would it be approprite to ask the organizer for their e-mails and contact them myself?

                  It's not just the early wake up issue... it's the having to drive there myself thing, especially driving home. I am not a good tired driver. I have scared myself a couple times with close calls because of driving tired and by myself. This is why I wanted to ride with my trainer and the other girl or have a family member/bf with me. I would actually be a bit concerned for my own safety driving home after such an early morning, nevertheless making sure I get there without getting lost in the first place.
                  Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
                  Thank you for everything boy.


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Duckz View Post
                    I wouldn't go over her head and talk to the clinician either as that would come across as unprofessional.
                    An Organizer is way more valuable to a clinician than any single rider. It is the Organizer than hires and pays the clinician. Typically, it is a very mutual relationship, but it is clear that anyone that would talk about "going over the Organizer's head to the Clinician" has no idea how the process works. Consider volunteering for a clinic and/or show to understand how the process works and why your whining about a ride time falls on deaf ears.

                    OP: Either pull up your big girl panties and figure out a solution (e.g. go the night before, etc.) or withdraw. Just don't expect a refund because you don't like your ride time. Seriously.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by seeuatx View Post
                      If this is the clinic I'm thinking of then considering that stabling was offered at a very reasonable rate for 3 days, and free day stabling at the XC facility I think you are being a tad unreasonable.

                      Either we are not thinking of the same clinic or you heard wrong. Stabling at the XC facility is not free. The rate has nothing to do with it... the horse is only stabling one night at the XC facility. That was a given, never an issue.
                      Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
                      Thank you for everything boy.


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                      • #12
                        Um, If its a two day clinic and you ride at 2:00 on Tues. and &:7:30 on Wed. Wouldn't you be stabling over Tues nite?

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by SLR View Post
                          Um, If its a two day clinic and you ride at 2:00 on Tues. and &:7:30 on Wed. Wouldn't you be stabling over Tues nite?
                          Yes. I said that... the horses are stabling at the second facility Tuesday night so that they'll be there Wednesday morning. Getting the horses there is not the issue. Getting myself there is.
                          Tru : April 14, 1996 - March 14, 2011
                          Thank you for everything boy.


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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by katie+tru View Post
                            I do not know anyone in the 10:30 group... recognize some names, but don't actually know them. Would it be approprite to ask the organizer for their e-mails and contact them myself?

                            It's not just the early wake up issue... it's the having to drive there myself thing, especially driving home. I am not a good tired driver. I have scared myself a couple times with close calls because of driving tired and by myself. This is why I wanted to ride with my trainer and the other girl or have a family member/bf with me. I would actually be a bit concerned for my own safety driving home after such an early morning, nevertheless making sure I get there without getting lost in the first place.

                            Perfectly fine to ask the organizer about checking for you if someone wants to switch. I've organized many clinics and done that for people before.

                            You should be fine--if you can work a normal work week...there is no reason you can't make a drive like this a few days in a row. Just make sure you get to BED EARLY the night before, pack some snacks for the drive and if you feel tired while driving...make a pit stop, get out of your truck and get a soda or coffee. Learn to be a bit more independent....and smart about things. Make sure you sleep, stay hydrated at the clinic and eat food. The key is get a good nights sleep...if you got 6-8 hours you should be fine no matter what time you get up!

                            I compete a LOT by my self...and get up early. While nice to have people with you...it is also very nice to be independent enough (because I know how to manage myself) to be able to do it alone.
                            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                            • #15
                              You are just one person in what sounds like a very busy clinic with an in demand clinician. Threatening to cancel will get you nowhere, as will the complaining and negotiating. This is a case in which you are going to have to suck it up and do what you have to to make it work if you want to participate. Honestly, getting up at 3am and driving a few hours alone is a small price to pay to ride with a clinician you really want to ride with. Shoot, many of us do that kind of thing on a regular basis for reasons FAR less fun, but just because I have to to meet an obligation, like work travel or dealing with family health emergencies.

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                              • #16
                                I think the OP is rightfully angry. Given that two riders from the same barn were coming from some distance away (which would have been obvious from the entry forms) it was inconsiderate of the organizer to put the two riders at different times, especially when one of the times was 7:30 am. There are always lots of clinics to attend. If it were me, I would boycott this organizer in the future.

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                                • #17
                                  I think its completely reasonable for you to request that the organizer change your ride time so you won't have to get up early. After all, they should know that you are special, and other people should get the early ride time so you can be accomodated. Especially since you did not tell the organizer up front that you might have an issue with your drive time. Since you are so special, she should have known that.
                                  Better yet, why don't you get her to change the clinician's flight times, so he can stay longer, and so she can start the XC portion of the clinic later to please you.
                                  There appears to be a pattern here.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by Angelray View Post
                                    I think the OP is rightfully angry. Given that two riders from the same barn were coming from some distance away (which would have been obvious from the entry forms) it was inconsiderate of the organizer to put the two riders at different times, especially when one of the times was 7:30 am. There are always lots of clinics to attend. If it were me, I would boycott this organizer in the future.

                                    Spoken like someone who has never organized a significant clinic and probably not attended that many. I organize clinics all the time....there is absolutely NO WAY in HELL that I would be able to tell people are from the same farm even IF you put an address on the entry--nor would I keep track of that when setting the times. If they put a note that they would prefer a later time...or are coming with a rider that they named...then, yes. I would keep track of that information and try to accomodate them. But to assume that the orgnaizer will sort that out off your entry is so totally unreasonable as to be laughable.
                                    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by katie+tru View Post
                                      Yes. I said that... the horses are stabling at the second facility Tuesday night so that they'll be there Wednesday morning. Getting the horses there is not the issue. Getting myself there is.

                                      Ok, I might be getting mixed up here, but the horse is already at the facility and the fuss is to get yourself there in time to feed for your 7:30 ride?
                                      If you don't have horses and/or responsabilities at home, I'd spend the night in a hotel. If you add up gas costs of driving back and forth, it'll probably come out to the same.

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                                      • #20
                                        Wow! I get up that early to drive to a show and scribe!
                                        "Rock n' roll's not through, yeah, I'm sewing wings on this thing." --Destroyer
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