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I'm not one to usually talk about overbitting, but...

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  • I'm not one to usually talk about overbitting, but...

    I just received my July issue of Practical Horseman and Udonna is on the cover going XC...in a double-bridle, running martingale, and what appears to be a chain flash?! Seriously? It appears she only rides in a gag, running, and drop-noseband for stadium. I don't have any issue with jumping in a double bridle, but it seems strange to use one with a flash, nevermind a flash that appears to be part chain.

    Does anyone have any insight on why she uses this setup? Maybe it's a lot gentler than what I'm seeing, it just looks like a LOT!
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  • #2
    I'm actually seeing a snaffle, a Pelham with only a rein on the curb end, and a chain-bottomed flash contraption. Yikers! Wonder what’s going on inside the mouth… twisted wire?
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    • #3
      me, too

      I noticed that chain-flash deal, too.....yikes....


      • #4
        But ZOMG we will take her to Advanced in one year!
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        • #5
          Ask someone at Pine Top what was in the fed ex box.

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          • #6
            Can someone share the picture in question?
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            • #7
              I see the Pelham w/ a rein on only the curb end, but I also see reins that are attached to what appears to look like another bit?

              And, the half-chain flash contraption is quite scary.

              And yeah, of course this horse also apparently needs a running martingale on top of this setup...
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              • #8
                It does look like a double bridle. There is a rein on the curb rein on the pelham but if you look closely you can see what looks like another bit ring that the snaffle rein is attached to, and i noticed the chain flash which looks a little scary.
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                • #9
                  My mom who isnt even a horse person noticed this on my practical horseman. I found it surprising and I know some horses do need something more than a snaffle, but that seemed like too much. If you cant control a horse without that much bit, maybe you need to bring it down a peg.
                  Last edited by DressageOverFences; Jun. 24, 2011, 08:52 PM. Reason: spelling


                  • #10
                    That chain is the first thing I noticed when I got my magazine - made me throw up a little...
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by paintmare View Post
                      Can someone share the picture in question?
                      Here's a link (I hope!) if you have a facebook page you can go to Practical Horseman's site and they have the cover of the magazine as their profile picture.
                      Last edited by Lone; Jun. 24, 2011, 09:15 PM.
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                      • #12
                        I've done some zooming in - its definitely a pelham - with only the curb ring with a rein attached. There's a second snaffle, (not a gag) chain as the bottom strap of the noseband and martingale attached to the snaffle rein.

                        In my far back distant days in England, we were always taught that the curb rein helped to lower the head. If you needed a martingale AND a curb bit (god forbid that you hadn't schooled your horse adequately) then the martingale should go on the curb rein, not the snaffle.

                        Maybe this is what showjumpers think they need to stop their horses when they get out in the wide open spaces? (meow)


                        • #13
                          I was always taught that the martingale went on the snaffle.


                          • #14
                            I can't tell from the FB image, but is that ring really a running martingale, or is it an Irish martingale?


                            • #15
                              I have to admit that when I got my Practical Horseman in the mail I was pretty horrified. I think that the flash looks brutal and the real thing is that each of these pieces used individually is one thing but in combination it seems pretty severe. I used to ride a pony in a double twisted wire so I understand that some horse just require more bit, but how is this a good idea?
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                              • #16
                                Have they competed recently? They moved up quite quickly but I think have not been out in a while....

                                I have seen video of this pair at Prelim. The mare can jump the moon but they were scary to watch through combinations -- leaving out strides and just running past distances. I can see the temptation to add "brake power" but in my (less exalted) world, you don't move up until the horse understands the questions and is rideable.

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                                • #17
                                  I was taught that the running goes on the curb as well. But holy shiz, this just looks harsh. If you need THAT much stopping power, why the hades are you not working on basics? I may be old fashioned, but I was always taught that if you couldn't do it with a snaffle, you shouldn't be doing it. Granted, some horses favor something like a pelham, but you still ought to be able to do it in a snaffle. That noseband horrifies me. And I can't believe Practical Horseman would actually put that on the cover.
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                                  • #18
                                    Ugh, I wanted to vomit a little too. Sad. Gross.

                                    It's ironic though that the horse is covered in fleece everywhere else.

                                    God knows I couldn't compete at that level - Or grand prix jumpers... but I hate seeing horses wearing that much hardware. I also know that I might be talking out my butt here... but if she's made it her goal to be a certain level in a certain amount of time... and it requires that much to get it done... I would think she's compromising something... her integrity, her horsemanship, her horses's comfort. Never a good thing.

                                    But, what would I know?


                                    • Original Poster

                                      Originally posted by phoebetrainer View Post
                                      I've done some zooming in - its definitely a pelham - with only the curb ring with a rein attached. There's a second snaffle, (not a gag) chain as the bottom strap of the noseband and martingale attached to the snaffle rein.
                                      So it's not a real double, it's a make-shift one using a pelham instead of a weymouth! Jebus!

                                      Originally posted by saje View Post
                                      I can't tell from the FB image, but is that ring really a running martingale, or is it an Irish martingale?
                                      It's a running martingale. I couldn't tell at first either, but there's another XC pic later in the magazine that's taken from the side and you can see the running attachments.
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                                      • #20
                                        I have no comment to add, but here's a easier to view photo of the pair... the photo that is on the cover is also in this album: http://www.hoofclix.com/Pine-Top-Far...309_nQU8D-A-LB
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