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    "I'm not unsafe, I just suck!!" - UPDATE post 28 :D

    Looking for some advice (hoping for reassurance but willing to listen if it's a wake-up call instead )...

    I would like to move up to PT (3') after doing a couple of years at Entry (2'9"). We have been moderately successful here -- usually middle to bottom of the pack after dressage, but we usually move up the standings because we rarely have an issue with jumping (haven't had a stop on xc at this level). We have schooled PT fences happily on a few occasions but have not put a full course together.

    I was really happy with our HT at Entry on the weekend even though we were out of the ribbons -- got 63.5% on dressage, one stupid lazy rail in stadium and clear on xc. I want to move up, my coach and people I have clinic-ed with think I am safe to move up. So what is the issue? I guess I am just looking for reassurance that it's ok to move up even if you are not competitive. I used to say that I would not move up until I was scoring in the 70's (%) but now I doubt that will EVER happen! I also have a very off-breed -- a PerchX who, bless her heart, is very draft-y. Even though she is very fit, I know that making the time will be an issue.

    I don't care about the ribbons -- really. I just don't want the dressage judge to wonder why the hell we are in this division. I feel like we are making sloooow progress in dressage and it is helping us to tackle harder questions out on course, but we are a long way from putting together a "pretty" test, particularly if we move up. Is it poor etiquette to wallow in the basement of a division?

    Last edited by fargaloo; Jul. 24, 2011, 06:01 PM.

    I once had a dresage judge, at Training, say "I guess she is a good jumper?" after giving us the lowest score in the division. I said "Oh YES". We finished with a red ribbon.

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now). Spy is gone. April 15, 1982 to Jan 10, 2019.


      If it is, I'm in serious trouble. Moved up through intermediate on a horse that never had any particular interest in dressage, but would jump anything carefully and safely, saving my incompetent ammy butt regularly. We were almost always DFL after dressage, but always moved up, once as far as 2nd. No one ever said anything about it being unsafe or inappropriate (of course this was in the 2000-2004 time range so less of this type of concern out there). More recently moved the infamous Keebler up to training in 2008, 8 training level events with only one jump penalty of any sort, but dressage scores in the 37-52 range. Again, no one considered it inappropriate or unsafe (at least not that I heard about).
      OTTBs rule, but spots are good too!


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        Oh Janet, that is awesome! However, there must have been carnage on the xc course that day!!

        Scubed -- 37-52 sounds pretty darn good to me (BTW, Keebler is awesome -- hope he is feeling better!)

        Thanks for the reassuring stories -- would love to hear more


          Originally posted by fargaloo View Post
          Oh Janet, that is awesome! However, there must have been carnage on the xc course that day!!

          Scubed -- 37-52 sounds pretty darn good to me (BTW, Keebler is awesome -- hope he is feeling better!)

          Thanks for the reassuring stories -- would love to hear more
          Remember that 37-52 in the US is 55.5 to 78.0 in Canada.


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            Originally posted by spotlight* View Post
            Remember that 37-52 in the US is 55.5 to 78.0 in Canada.
            Oops, I did not know that!! Thanks, Spotlight! (Now I feel better!)


              "I'm not unsafe, I just suck!!"
              I want a T-shirt when you get them printed, and a membership card.

              I'm pretty darn stickable, but devoid of talent. I enjoy the heck out of eventing and don't mind my placings at all. And since even a blind hog finds an acorn now and then, I'm pretty sure I own one ribbon in every conceivable color, from BN on up to Preliminary. To finish on my dressage score of 39 is always and perpetually my goal for any given weekend. Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
              Click here before you buy.


                Oh, me too! Yesterday I moved up from 7th out of 8 to 2nd. I'll take clear jumping rounds over a 30 in dressage any day


                  One dressage judge actually said to me after the dressage "are you seriously considering taking this horse cross country now??"

                  His behaviour was, ahem, "questionable" in the dressage. As in, there were no requirements for enthusiastic bucking in the test.

                  But he was careful, and SAFE over fences, although somewhat "keen" all of his life, and he took care of mom. Always.
                  My big man - April 27, 1986 - September 04, 2008-
                  You're with me every moment, my big red horse.

                  Be kinder than necessary, for everyone is fighting a battle of some kind.


                    Do it! There is basically no difference in the dressage so really you're just looking at the 3" difference in height and the fact you might actually get to *GASP* jump ditches, banks, have a mandatory water crossing.... I did one E level on my paint mare then moved her right to PT and barely noticed a difference. Go have fun I'm going PT this weekend on my green bean, so should be a blast!


                      Go for it! If the jumping is there, the dressage will follow. Or it won't. Who cares! Unless you're worried about face-planting during a trot lengthening

                      I have a fun story about my Percheron cross from yesterday. As we entered the stadium ring, a friend overheard a lady express doubts about our ability to handle the course. I think it was along the lines of "THIS won't be good." Bless her heart, apparently the lady was singing my horse's praises by the end of the clear round
                      The big guy: Lincoln

                      Southern Maryland Equestrian


                        Go for it! You sound well prepared and it sounds like your trainer and friends are all supportive of it, which is always a good sign.
                        Trying a life outside of FEI tents and hotel rooms.


                          In the 70's (%) is a dressage score in the 20's in U.S. eventing, so most of us NEVER get there! Scores in the 60's (%) is equivalent to the 30's, which is what the bulk of the ribbons are at large horse trials here in Kentucky.

                          I definitely say go for it. And I want one of those T-shirts, too!


                            Dressage scoring in Canada is different . . .
                            Click here before you buy.


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                              You guys are awesome!! Thanks

                              Originally posted by deltawave View Post
                              I'm pretty darn stickable, but devoid of talent.
                              DW, I doubt the "devoid of talent" part describes you, but that statement is me to a T! I did an eventing boot camp last year and in the application form was asked to describe my strengths as an eventer. As I recall, I put: "Sense of humour, high pain threshold and a willingness to buy the beer."


                                If great dressage scores were a requirement for moving up, I would have never made it to Prelim. My old girl loved to jump, had complete distain for dressage.
                                I appreciate the need to proper dressage and will continue to strive to improve my riding - as ungraceful as it may be at times.

                                Plus last time I looked the heart of Eventing is XC and as long as you are safe on XC and SJ" life is good."
                                "Never do anything that you have to explain twice to the paramedics."
                                Courtesy my cousin Tim


                                  Originally posted by fargaloo View Post
                                  "Sense of humour, high pain threshold and a willingness to buy the beer."
                                  If I ever get brave enough to do an eventing boot camp, can I steal this line for my application?
                                  Flip a coin. It's not what side lands that matters, but what side you were hoping for when the coin was still in the air.

                                  You call it boxed wine. I call it carboardeaux.


                                    Originally posted by fargaloo View Post
                                    You guys are awesome!! Thanks

                                    "Sense of humour, high pain threshold and a willingness to buy the beer."
                                    Ummmm--- since you offered-- I like Bloody Mary mix in mine-- and you owe me a keyboard, because reading that made me spew red beer all over mine!!!!
                                    The only difference between a runaway and a fast gallop is nothing but a SMILE
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                                      Too funny - I opened this thread ready to cringe, and not only am not cringing but adding another to the "support" camp. I've never made a decision to move up or not based on the dressage. Who cares? I think of D as the tax you pay to run XC. If the horse wants to move up in the XC, count me in!


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                                        Jen-s: be my guest

                                        PDR: Dear God, I thought only my husband drank that!! Any chance you were raised in Winnipeg?!

                                        Thanks so much for all the support -- for sh*ts and giggles, tune in for my report from our first PT outing next month...