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  • Darren's Bit?

    Does anyone know what this bit is that Darren puts on his horses? You can see it here and here and here. He seems to have it most of his horses for XC and SJ. I'd never seen one like it and was wondering if you guys know what it is.

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    Does anyone know what this bit is that Darren puts on his horses? You can see it here and here and here. He seems to have it most of his horses for XC and SJ. I'd never seen one like it and was wondering if you guys know what it is.

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    • #3
      I don't know what it is called, but it is all the rage in the jumpers these days, too. I think it may be what Dorina is referring to on the h/j thread as a "mikmar".

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      • #4
        there is an add in this month's PH (probably twd the back of the mag) for this bit - it gives a bigger picture of it. I was just looking at it this morning.

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          #5
          Wow- one of these?!. Call me old fashioned but I wouldn't put one of those anywhere near my horses! They would probably flip over backwards if I touched the reins! That is quite the contraption!! I guess it is a quick and easy fix, and it seems to be working for him...

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          • #6
            whether or not darren's using one of those mikmars or not (the 3rd pic looks different, but can't really tell what he's using in any of the pics) i would hesitate to put one of those things in ANY horse's mouth. and quite honestly, i could care less WHAT big name is using them these days. i've had really good luck with horses of all types/temperments/levels with a good old SNAFFLE. don't plan on changing that either.

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            • #7
              I think it's a big mistake to copy a pro on a bit as most of them are much better riders than the rest of us ever will be. A bad riding moment could be a training disaster in the wrong bit, but I'm sure Darren has alot fewer of those moments than I do.

              Personally I think it's more interesting that the same unusual bit is used on 3 different horses--none of which are particularly using their backs well.

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              • #8
                <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>none of which are particularly using their backs well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Understatement of the year, especially the second one!

                SillyHorse
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                • #9
                  <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by subk:
                  Personally I think it's more interesting that the same unusual bit is used on 3 different horses--none of which are particularly using their backs well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                  LOL, i wasn't even going to go there, so thanks for doing for me!

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                  • #10
                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by subk:
                    I think it's a big mistake to copy a pro on a bit as most of them are much better riders than the rest of us ever will be. A bad riding moment could be a training disaster in the wrong bit, but I'm sure Darren has alot fewer of those moments than I do.

                    Personally I think it's more interesting that the same unusual bit is used on 3 different horses--none of which are particularly using their backs well.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

                    Those were exactly my thoughts....the typical amateur has much less educated hands than a pro AND those horses don't have a jumping style that I'd like to encourage (though it might be less bit choice inclined than I'd tend to believe)

                    I was thinking...oh, wait, that wasn't me.
                    I was thinking...oh, wait, that wasn\'t me.

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                    • #11
                      I bet there is a little sponsorship money going on here for him to put all of his horses in this bit. I have to agree also with the back thing!!!

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                      • #12
                        Welcome to the BB Raspberry!

                        I'm not trying to be overly critical of Darren here guys, remember were only seeing a nano second of a minute plus ride here. Granted they're rather important nano seconds. We also don't know what the "issues" with these horse are...this might be a big improvment. I'm a whole lot more tolertant of someone like Darren in this get up than seeing it with your average Joe. My suggestion would be "professional driver on a closed course, do not try this at home."

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                        • #13
                          Devil's advocate here: It's also a big mistake to assume that because a bit looks "gadgety" and "severe", doesn't mean that it is.

                          Back when I was riding hunters (boy, that was a loooong time ago!), everybody talked about the "bicycle chain" bit and was aghast that anybody was using it - how severe it was, etc. however, it turns out that the bit in question was a Waterford - not exactly the bicycle chain that people were imagining. Have you looked at a Myler combination bit? They look pretty severe, too - but I tried one on my heavy-on-the-forehand draft cross and he acted like there was nothing in his mouth at all - I got better responses off a fat Happy Mouth eggbutt.

                          I'm not saying that every novice should run out and buy one. I'm just saying that until you have tried one, you really shouldn't judge the bit - it could work differently than you would expect it to.

                          Not trying to start anything - just looking at the other side of the coin.

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                          • #14
                            Hmm, point taken eventer_m, although I would say that being "gaget" doesn't automatically mean something is severe. I would say there is no question that this bit is a gaget, whether or not it is severe remains to be seen. (Although I'll be surprised if it isn't--it's set up to use leverage, it has a port and it appears that string would put some preasure somewhere too!)

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                              #15
                              I don't care who uses it (especially Darren!! )- it looks AWFUL! My boys seem to do just fine in a nice old snaffle

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                              • #16
                                Did anyone look at any of the other photos at that website? Almost all of the horses are jumping the same way - regardless of bit.

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                                • #17
                                  Yeah I was watching Darren at Stuarts, and kept asking everybody what kind of bit he had on his horses (and he had that type of bit on everyone of his nine horses, cuz i saw all of them go xc). I just happened upon the website for the mikmar bit (which by the way is in fact the bit he has on those horses in the pics and he had on all his horses at Stuarts, i found out from a friend after the event) and they seem to make out on the website like this is some miracle bit that EVERYONE from novice to advanced can use. I would be wery of using it for those reasons, no bit is a miracle bit, and no bit with leverage should be used by a novice, IMO. Darren has great hands (watch him ride xc on one of his novice horses, he give such a huge release ) so more power to him if he thinks these bits are working for his horses.

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                                  • #18
                                    <BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by subk:
                                    Hmm, point taken eventer_m, although I would say that being "gaget" doesn't automatically mean something is severe. I would say there is no question that this bit is a gaget, whether or not it is severe remains to be seen. (Although I'll be surprised if it isn't--it's set up to use leverage, it has a port and it appears that string would put some preasure somewhere too!)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
                                    Good point, subk, however, I offer this up to you to chew on...
                                    Bits are designed to affect certain parts of a horse's mouth, and head - I guess a bit in its "purest" form would be considered a snaffle. I'm sure that when the french link (which hardly anybody would consider a gadget, or severe) first came out, was frowned upon by some, simply because of its deviation from the norm. The way I see it, the combo Mikmar appears to be a bit that acts a heck of a lot like a Myler Combination bit - nose pressure, some jaw/curb pressure, maybe some negligible poll pressure. The regular mikmar just looks like a curb bit to me - and a very western one, at that. When you use a bit with a sidepull, or The Bitless Bridle (breaking out a youngster, for example), you are sort of doing the same thing as a combination bit. One could argue that a Baucher is gadgety, since it not only affects the bars and lips of a horse's mouth, it (as some have said) affects the poll as well. Same thing with a Continental/Pessoa/American/bubble gag/bit.

                                    Plus, a bit's severity depends a lot on the hands that are holding it.

                                    A northern fairy tale begins with "Once upon a time..."
                                    A southern fairy tale begins with "Y'all ain't gonna believe this sh*t..."
                                    "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." - Thomas Edison

                                    So, the Zen Buddhist says to the hotdog vendor, "Make me one with everything."

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                                      #19
                                      "they seem to make out on the website like this is some miracle bit that EVERYONE from novice to advanced can use"

                                      Yeah, and did you look at the before and after pictures?! Totally absurd- look at the rider's position in the two pictures and then tell me that because of the BIT the horse is going better!! Haha- that's quite some advertising they've got there!

                                      "One needs an end to journey toward, but it's the journey that matters in the end."
                                      There's a rainbow in the sky all the time, don't be blind." -Ziggy Marley

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                                      • #20
                                        I think the entire horse world is just wee bit too focused on bits these days.

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