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  • USEA-BoS now required for change of ownership

    MAYBE as a result of the events desribed in our recent trainwreck(s), USEA now requires a signed bill of sale before it will accept a change of ownership.

    http://www.useventing.com/start.php?...ership&id=2643
    Change Made To USEA Horse Life Registration
    Updated: 2011-01-13

    The USEA has instituted a new policy that when transferring ownership of a horse, the new owner must submit a bill of sale within 10 days of the registration change. Transfer of ownership become effective the date that the proper forms (with required signature and fees) are received in the USEA office.

    The bill of sale can be faxed to the office at (703) 779-0550, mailed to 525 Old Waterford Rd, NW. Leesburg, VA 20176, or emailed to info@useventing.com.

    Changes of ownership using the online services will be marked pending until the proper paperwork is received in the office.

    The new USEA Horse Life Registration Form has been updated to reflect this new policy.

    The USEA is committed to providing the most accurate records possible, so please keep the USEA office informed of any changes in your horse’s registration status including change of name, ownership, and if the horse is retired or deceased.
    Janet

    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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    I hope they permit it with redactions because I do not think USEA needs to know the price I paid for a horse.
    There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.(Churchill)

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    • #3
      I couldn't possibly care less whether or not USEA knows what I paid for my horse.

      My question is why they are requiring a bill of sale only for a TRANSFER of ownership. If you want to curtail fraudulent registrations, shouldn't you require a bill of sale (or some proof of ownership) for the initial registration, too?
      Proud member of the EDRF

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      • #4
        Please note:

        The bill of sale can be faxed to the office at (703) 779-0550, mailed to 525 Old Waterford Rd, NW. Leesburg, VA 20176, or emailed to info@useventing.com. Please blackout price or any other private information you don't wish to share.

        This was just changed today. Hopeully this will keep Financial transactions private.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Kementari View Post
          I couldn't possibly care less whether or not USEA knows what I paid for my horse.

          My question is why they are requiring a bill of sale only for a TRANSFER of ownership. If you want to curtail fraudulent registrations, shouldn't you require a bill of sale (or some proof of ownership) for the initial registration, too?
          In a perfect world, yes. But there are many people who simply don't have one - esp. for horses they have had for quite some time. Nor is there any way to prove any horse is any particular horse these days - with the exception of some breed registries who tattoo or microchip.

          This is NOT a panacea. BUT! It is the best we can do at this particular time and it will offer what protection that can be offered in the equine industry currently.

          Nothing will stop anyone from simply doing a new registry number. But at least it will be much more difficult for a horse with a record and qualifications.

          I absolutely applaud the USEA for this effort. They are doing what CAN be done and being pretty proactive! BRAVO! And Thank You!

          SCFarm
          The above post is an opinion, just an opinion. If it were a real live fact it would include supporting links to websites full of people who already agreed with me.

          www.southern-cross-farm.com

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          • #6
            Well said, LLDM. I am in full agreement. It's nice to see such expeditious action on the USEA's part given the recent troubles in this area.
            "We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals" Immanuel Kant

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Outyougo View Post
              Please note:

              The bill of sale can be faxed to the office at (703) 779-0550, mailed to 525 Old Waterford Rd, NW. Leesburg, VA 20176, or emailed to info@useventing.com. Please blackout price or any other private information you don't wish to share.

              This was just changed today. Hopeully this will keep Financial transactions private.
              Thanks for the update
              Glad to hear they added that
              Others may not care, but I don't really share that information
              There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.(Churchill)

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              • #8
                Hahahaha.
                If you black out price, or change the document in any way without signed consent of all parties, it's not a legal document! A bill of sale is simply useless without terms of the sale wholly included. The USEA has no right to view a private bill of sale. They should develop their own transfer form and require its use. ??????
                Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                  They should develop their own transfer form and require its use. ??????
                  Agreed...I bought a 2yo last year, and her breed registry required a signed/notarized "transfer of ownership form". Very easy to do--the seller simply included it with her papers/vet paperwork/etc.

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                  • #10
                    Yeah, I think having a transfer form that both parties sign would probably be more effective. But hey, it's a start. I get what they're doing.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                      Hahahaha.
                      If you black out price, or change the document in any way without signed consent of all parties, it's not a legal document! A bill of sale is simply useless without terms of the sale wholly included. The USEA has no right to view a private bill of sale. They should develop their own transfer form and require its use. ??????
                      The fact that the copy you send to USEA has redacted portions does not render the sales contract itself invalid
                      There is something about the outside of a horse that is good for the inside of a man.(Churchill)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by bambam View Post
                        The fact that the copy you send to USEA has redacted portions does not render the sales contract itself invalid
                        Completely agree. Redacted agreements are used all the time for similar scenarios. It is still proof of transfer of ownership.

                        Why on earth would we want to create a separate form that no one is going to remember to get signed at time of sale and then have to track down the previous owner when they remember they need to change USEA records, when a redacted bill of sale works just as well for this purpose?

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                        • #13
                          This is awesome! will they make it retroactive

                          (brat factored in!)

                          Originally posted by Janet View Post
                          MAYBE as a result of the events desribed in our recent trainwreck(s), USEA now requires a signed bill of sale before it will accept a change of ownership.

                          http://www.useventing.com/start.php?...ership&id=2643

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by SevenDogs View Post
                            Completely agree. Redacted agreements are used all the time for similar scenarios. It is still proof of transfer of ownership.

                            Why on earth would we want to create a separate form that no one is going to remember to get signed at time of sale and then have to track down the previous owner when they remember they need to change USEA records, when a redacted bill of sale works just as well for this purpose?
                            Usta has used same for YEARS. All racetracks had them as well as racing secretaries, easy to use and also available online. Much better than using a private copy of a bill of sale. It was very simple, half sheet of paper, names, horse name, numbers, signatures. Very simple and quite organized. It's not that big of a deal but it is a contract between buyer and seller and it's not really the association's business to know the agreement or require a copy of it no matter what state it arrives in. They only need to know the transaction has occurred. The terms of the transaction are none of their business. You know, privacy matters, and although there is a very good reason for proper ownership changes, which I personally agree with, I also think that good business means you respect your member's privacy. At the risk of perhaps another piece of paper. I do not see that as a huge impediment. It's just business.
                            Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
                            Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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                            • #15
                              Uh Oh. I leased a horse last year. With the owner's permission I transferred him into my name with USEA so I could sign his show entries as "owner". We do not live near each other, and it would have been a hastle to send entries back and forth.

                              The lease has ended and I returned the horse to the owner. I had planned to transfer him back into the owner's name with USEA (not that he will ever show again - 22 years old, highly unlikely).

                              Of course there is no Bill of Sale and I don't own him. I wonder what it's going to take to get this taken care of.....................

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by BadEventer View Post
                                Uh Oh. I leased a horse last year. With the owner's permission I transferred him into my name with USEA so I could sign his show entries as "owner". We do not live near each other, and it would have been a hastle to send entries back and forth.

                                The lease has ended and I returned the horse to the owner. I had planned to transfer him back into the owner's name with USEA (not that he will ever show again - 22 years old, highly unlikely).

                                Of course there is no Bill of Sale and I don't own him. I wonder what it's going to take to get this taken care of.....................
                                Bill of sale for $1.
                                Big Idea Eventing

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                                • #17
                                  Retread Eventer you are not correct on the redaction. Look at any public filing with the SEC, extreme redaction is done on the terms of the deals but still are legal documents. This is allowed so investors know the deal is out there without being anti-competitive in nature. Standard practice in the business environment.

                                  I think this is a fabulous first step and applaud them for trying.

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                                  • Original Poster

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by BadEventer View Post
                                    Uh Oh. I leased a horse last year. With the owner's permission I transferred him into my name with USEA so I could sign his show entries as "owner". We do not live near each other, and it would have been a hastle to send entries back and forth.

                                    The lease has ended and I returned the horse to the owner. I had planned to transfer him back into the owner's name with USEA (not that he will ever show again - 22 years old, highly unlikely).

                                    Of course there is no Bill of Sale and I don't own him. I wonder what it's going to take to get this taken care of.....................
                                    Technically, you didn't need to transfer him in the first place.

                                    As long as you have the owner's permission, you can sign the "Owner" block as the owner's agent. It is in the rulebook.
                                    Janet

                                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                                    • #19
                                      Uh, this is going to be hard in most Brand Inspection states since they require the bill of sale to go to THEM for their records in order to get your brand card. And since we only get 1 brand card per animal and it MUST remain with the animal (e.g. carried whenever the animal leaves its residence outside a 75 mile radius), I hope the USEA takes a COPY of my brand travel card. My bill of sale currently resides at the state brand inspector office.

                                      Reed

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                                      • #20
                                        Since it says you can fax it, they obviously don't need the original.

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