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  • team udonna

    Anyone else seen this? Thoughts?


  • #2
    I think it's pretty arrogant... and hope no one gets hurt along the way. The "First Start to Fairhill in one year goal" is a bit scary.

    Anyone know the scoop on the horse or rider? Have either evented before? They're clearly an experienced pair, but still...
    "Adulthood? You're playing with ponies. That is, like, every 9 year old girl's dream. Adulthood?? You're rocking the HELL out of grade 6, girl."


    • #3
      My prediction? A rotational waiting to happen. That horse has too much bascule and no matter how clean he wants, he is going to have a hell of a time clearing the BIG spreads on XC at speed. He is an unsafe XC horse.

      No, this is not jealousy. I have seen enough horses who have a similar jumping style and even experience crash hard on XC when the fences got big.

      Anyway, it all may be moot. They could never move up the qualifications in the time they say.



      • #4
        She's a lovely horse. I wonder how her jumping style will affect her soundness now that she is doing splits over terrain instead of a groomed ring.

        I wonder why she is doing this? The horse seemed like it was doing quite well in its original discipline. If she's just doing it for fun, that's certainly fine, but the video makes it seem like she is out to prove something.
        Last edited by CiegoStar; Jan. 13, 2011, 05:12 PM. Reason: gender correction


        • #5
          My biggest concern was the rider does not have a concept of the 'back seat' - combine that with the horse's bascule...

          You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng


          • #6
            I hope this pair does well and has fun. This is a pretty daring move for the rider and I applaud her for it. And we know she's not doing it for the money.

            But zero to CCI*** in 9 months is a lot to ask. I assume the goal is a spring CCI**, too. There's a lot of running around involved in that schedule. Which also means that the rider must be very committed to this goal and has curtailed her jumper activities.

            I'd like to hear why the rider saw this mare as an eventer. I'm not doubting her judgment at all -- I'd just really like to know what made her say 'This one's going to be my eventer.'

            My advice to her, with a horse that jumps like that, is to practice a few bullfinches before attempting one on course.


            • #7
              Fair Hill has various levels of horse trials and at the fall CCI*** there is also a CCI** - I guess she didn't specify which division of Fair Hill she was aiming for.

              You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng


              • #8
                Originally posted by JER View Post
                My advice to her, with a horse that jumps like that, is to practice a few bullfinches before attempting one on course.
                My former coach's 3* horse used to jump over brush. I've seen pics. My coach said it was terrifying It definitely looked scary!


                • #9
                  Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                  Anyway, it all may be moot. They could never move up the qualifications in the time they say.
                  While I thought it seemed like a cool idea when I first saw the video (just because I like the idea of branching out and doing other disciplines), I did wonder this as well. Maybe it's because I'm poor/don't like showing my horse a bunch, but that seems like an awful lot of events in a short period of time.

                  But who knows, I've never shown at either the level she's currently show jumping at *or* her goal eventing level, so I'm not much of an expert!
                  "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"


                  • #10
                    They did four Trainings last year and a Prelim last week, so maybe not as rushed as the video might make it sound.

                    The horse looks enthusiastic on XC. Always a good sign. Not every GP jumper would be comfortable out there.


                    • #11
                      Aside from the self-aggrandizing video.... Looked up the record and the horse did 4 training last fall and just moved up to Prelim at Ocala last weekend. So far no jump or time penalties. First event was 10/9/10. They could make the October CCI** at Fair Hill pretty easily I imagine in terms of getting enough events to qualify..... does it say their goal is the 3* somewhere that I missed?

                      Interesting. Could pull it off, though risky..... I imagine if the horse can handle a GP course like it is doing in the other video, it can handle the spreads at Intermediate.... 5'3" at the top (similar to a GP oxer), 7'11" base. A 10' wide jump without height? Narrower than a GP water jump. It's xc style will probably improve with more experience, and hopefully she will get some lessons and learn to sit back. Money does not appear to be an issue....

                      Third Charm Event Team


                      • #12
                        Well, ya know, that's a pretty ambitious goal. Then again, Marilyn has a hell of a lot of experience as a rider, is a great rider and horsewoman by all accounts. (Probably a more experienced and more talented horsewoman than plenty of people who DO make it around FHI, IMO, and enough horse sense to back off the goal if it's not coming together correctly.)
                        Assuming the flatwork and show jumping are at or past the level already, and she hooks up with an experienced eventer for some help with XC... why the heck not?
                        I suspect the rider would be the bigger limiting factor than the horse in this equation -- if the horse can jump 6'2", I can't physically see advanced XC spreads being much of an issue. I'm assuming Marylin fox hunted growing up (could be wrong?) so maybe it won't be a big stretch for her to get comfortable jumping from a very different balance for XC -- though that horse looks like she could be a handful at advanced speed.
                        Eventing needs a cool new story line. Get 'em, girl.
                        I evented just for the Halibut.


                        • #13
                          My issue is that while the horse can jump that big, can the horse jump that big 30-40 times in under 10 minutes? With a bascule as shown it is a huge time and energy waste on course. The horse almost comes to a halt in the air due to its bascule. Now, have a maximum table 4 fences from home, will there be anything left? If the horse continues to jump in the same form, then it will have to be conditioned to an insane amount, limiting the lifetime of the animal.

                          There is an efficiency in event horses on XC that does not show up in stadium. We saw aspects of this in the speed study.



                          • #14

                            Someone above mentioned she's hooked up with KOC. I see that her husband took a young horse novice in the fall, and then Lauren Kieffer rode the same horse last weekend. So, presumably she is getting some help from the OC camp.


                            • #15
                              FWIW, Marilyn is Irish. So she very well could have grown up foxhunting. I was stabled down the aisle from her at Spruce Meadows last summer. She had quite a few nice horses and a few good finishes. I thought she rode well and I liked her horses. None of her horses (that I remember) screamed "eventer." I'm 90% sure I saw Marilyn and this horse in a couple of classes.

                              The courses at Spruce have a bit more of an event feel to them. All rings are grass and some have significant terrain (for a jumper ring, that is). I don't think she should have a problem switching over to eventing. If she has a trainer who teaches x-c well, the goal of Fair Hill should be attainable.


                              • #16
                                Marylin is from Maryland, around Potomac to be exact. But that's the reason I also figured she grew up foxhunting, because all the horsey set there rode with Potomac Hunt.
                                She's got a great resume and she's a very nice rider. I think she's got as good a shot as anyone.
                                I evented just for the Halibut.


                                • #17
                                  I'm pretty sure Marilyn is a Marylander, born and bred. Ray and Lynne have been in Frederick for years. Girl can RIDE, comes by her talents naturally and has honed them well.
                                  I can't see any reason Marilyn can't make the switch (she did pony club, rode early on with Dickcy Boutelle, who is an eventer etc.) and hope that the Udonna's jump can be tweaked to suit ULXC.
                                  Will be great to see this work out!
                                  One thing you can give and still keep is your word.


                                  • #18
                                    Marilyn is indeed from Maryland, her parents are Ray and Lynn Little of Raylyn Farm, not people who fell off the potato truck yesterday.

                                    I bet she does just fine--she grew up riding, had top hunters, jumpers, and has quite a bit of experience at Grand Prix level, and doesn't seem at all out of her element.

                                    I think the predictions of doom and gloom are quite premature.
                                    Inner Bay Equestrian


                                    • #19
                                      I wish them well! I hope they don't have a rotational fall either. If she trains with KOC wouldn't the assessment of the horse's jump already have been made by Karen? Seabiscuit should have never raced with those legs and conformation but he accomplished a good bit despite all the flaws.

                                      I also don't see her vid as arrogant at all. She is having fun and I didn't take what she said in a personal manner.


                                      • #20
                                        Whoops! Sorry, I don't know why I was thinking she was Irish...