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  • david OC responds to compaint/opinion

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  • #2
    Catherine Haddad: want some cheese with that whine? Get a life. Taking six months off your business isn't worth it to get on the team? I'd take six months in JAIL if it guaranteed an Olympic team slot! :0)
    Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
    Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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    • #3
      I read her letter/ article and thought she actually had good points.

      I don't care a lot about upper level dressage politics, (I don't have the TIME to sort them all out!) but from her point of view, an American living and competing in Europe, it DOES seem that this selection process cuts her (and anyone else in her situation) out of the running.

      I think you can argue both sides of the how to fly to Hong Kong problem.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
        Catherine Haddad: want some cheese with that whine? Get a life. Taking six months off your business isn't worth it to get on the team? I'd take six months in JAIL if it guaranteed an Olympic team slot! :0)
        It's a lot more complicated than that. You aren't "guaranteed" a slot. The finalists on the various teams take a chunk of (very expensive) time away from their homes and business and there is no guarantee involved. It's down to the final trot up at the Olympics or WEG who is actually going to compete. Riders who make the cut to go to Europe for the final training session and who don't go on to the team competition usually have to fly themselves and their horses home on their own dime (and of course, it costs a whole lot more than a dime) and I don't think that even those who actually DO compete get all their expenses covered. These elite competitors are out a lot of time and money trying to please the selector gods and dodge the lameness gods and there is never any guarantee at all.
        Hindsight bad, foresight good.

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        • #5
          How did Lisa Wilcox qualify for the Olympics w/o coming to the US?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Badger View Post
            These elite competitors are out a lot of time and money trying to please the selector gods and dodge the lameness gods and there is never any guarantee at all.
            Good point, Badger! Well life has no guarantees, either. Sometimes you just have to take a chance.

            We knew China would be a problem...the event team will go thru the same travel problems...does anyone remember how they did it for the Olympics in s. Korea? That would have been 1988, I think? I think the team was Jane Sleeper, Phyllis Dawson, Bruce Davidson and not sure who the rest were. I know they quarantined in Unionville, PA. and did very little to prepare as it was hot and dry that summer and the footing was like concrete.
            Proud & Permanent Student Of The Long Road
            Read me: EN (http://eventingnation.com/author/annemarch/) and HJU (http://horsejunkiesunited.com/author/holly-covey/)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Clear Blue View Post
              How did Lisa Wilcox qualify for the Olympics w/o coming to the US?
              Lisa qualified in Europe.....

              they 'used' to let them do that. They had to score 2% (I think that was the number) higher then the highest (or maybe lowest???) score at the qualifier here (or maybe is was the median scores???).

              Anyway....they don't do that anymore.

              And it may be because of the Leslie Morris debacle at WEG last time around.

              Clear as mud! Sorry but it's the best I can do.

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              • #8
                Also.....interestingly enough.

                Someone.....maybe Wofford/Emerson/neither (can not remember who) in the last 6 months wrote an article in the Chronicle regarding the pit falls of using professional athletes for our teams. They cited the professional athlete who has been cultivated who can not compete on teams due to having to stay home and run there business's.

                So I think....knee jerk reaction time.....yeah.....if it was me....sure I would do anything to be on the team. But then reality sets in. Hmmmmmm. I have horses to be taken care of. A family to think of. Employees who are depending on me to make good decisions.

                I could see why it would be stressful and confusing. And make for agonizing decision making.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                  Catherine Haddad: want some cheese with that whine? Get a life. Taking six months off your business isn't worth it to get on the team? I'd take six months in JAIL if it guaranteed an Olympic team slot! :0)
                  THANK YOU. I read her missive in COTH and all I could think of - was geez lady - quit whining. Takes a lot of effort for everyone - and most folks have to make sacrifices. Why should the entire process cater to you just because you can't afford to take time off work? When can anyone "afford" to? I don't know of any big endeavor that does not involve a great deal of sacrifice, dedication and extreme effort.

                  And then try and suggest that the welfare of the horses is being compromised? Very low blow...and a pretty obvious attempt at manipulation.

                  She has every right to be disappointed; even angry. I'm sure I'd be very upset if I were in her shoes. But the little temper tantrum and whining - nah - no sympathy.

                  I appreciated the professionalism of David O'Connor's response.
                  Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                  Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                  -Rudyard Kipling

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                  • #10
                    Not to mention the fact that we have already shipped horses over there for the test runs, I'm sure they went through a similar process that those that make the team will go through.

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                    • #11
                      Is she really in contention? I would think if so, she could petition a bye. I know if eventers were living in europe and kicking butt at Burghley and Badminton, the selection committee would make an exception and have the person do the training sessions in Europe with the final folks. Then make the trek from there. I think she probably is not REALLY in contention and was one they had to drop out in order to have the selections include the most people they could.
                      Bravo for David. Spoken like a true CEO and sticking by his team.
                      Even duct tape can't fix stupid

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by J Swan View Post
                        THANK YOU. I read her missive in COTH and all I could think of - was geez lady - quit whining. Takes a lot of effort for everyone - and most folks have to make sacrifices. Why should the entire process cater to you just because you can't afford to take time off work? When can anyone "afford" to? I don't know of any big endeavor that does not involve a great deal of sacrifice, dedication and extreme effort.

                        And then try and suggest that the welfare of the horses is being compromised? Very low blow...and a pretty obvious attempt at manipulation.

                        She has every right to be disappointed; even angry. I'm sure I'd be very upset if I were in her shoes. But the little temper tantrum and whining - nah - no sympathy.

                        I appreciated the professionalism of David O'Connor's response.
                        Where was the whining please point it out..thank you
                        Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                        • #13
                          The original letter she wrote.
                          Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                          Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                          -Rudyard Kipling

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                          • #14
                            I think I would be a trifle upset if caught in this catch 22. She moved to Europe to better develop her skills, and is now hampered in her attempt to represent her country because she moved.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by retreadeventer View Post
                              ...does anyone remember how they did it for the Olympics in s. Korea? That would have been 1988, I think? I think the team was Jane Sleeper, Phyllis Dawson, Bruce Davidson and not sure who the rest were.
                              The 1988 team was made up of Bruce Davidson, Karen O'Connor, Phyllis Dawson and Ann Sutton (formerly Hardaway, now married to Nigel Taylor). Jane Sleeper was short listed but don't think she actually rode there.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                                I think I would be a trifle upset if caught in this catch 22. She moved to Europe to better develop her skills, and is now hampered in her attempt to represent her country because she moved.
                                Oh - cry me a river.

                                She took a private dispute public after she didn't get her way and is whining about it.

                                Other riders have had to make similar decisions. I don't hear them complaining that the rules need to be changed because their boss won't give them time off. So the rest of the American riders are supposed to turn their lives upside down just for her? She isn't the first rider to face this, or a similar, dilemma, and she won't be the last. Sorry - I don't fall for the "poor me" pity party crap.

                                I have a great deal of empathy for US riders trying to work, have a decent life, and realize their dreams and goals. I have no doubt she is very upset. However, I have no use for people who whine about how life isn't fair.
                                Brothers and sisters, I bid you beware
                                Of giving your heart to a dog to tear.
                                -Rudyard Kipling

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                                • #17
                                  I believe I read on the dressage forum with the same topic that Peter Wylde had to make that same decision when trying out for WEG I think? He decided to come back to the states, made the team, won a medal.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by J Swan View Post
                                    Oh - cry me a river.

                                    She took a private dispute public after she didn't get her way and is whining about it.

                                    Other riders have had to make similar decisions. I don't hear them complaining that the rules need to be changed because their boss won't give them time off. So the rest of the American riders are supposed to turn their lives upside down just for her? She isn't the first rider to face this, or a similar, dilemma, and she won't be the last. Sorry - I don't fall for the "poor me" pity party crap.

                                    I have a great deal of empathy for US riders trying to work, have a decent life, and realize their dreams and goals. I have no doubt she is very upset. However, I have no use for people who whine about how life isn't fair.
                                    Wow you are really angry about a subject you no little about. [edit] You clearly do not know Catherine if you think she's sitting around thinking poor me and if that is how you read her letter you clearly have an axe/agenda to grind with her...
                                    Last edited by Moderator 1; Feb. 13, 2008, 06:53 PM. Reason: personal commentary
                                    Love and compassion are necessities, not luxuries. Without them, humanity cannot survive. Dalai Lama

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                                    • #19
                                      Ridgeback... are you Catherine Haddad?

                                      hehehehehe
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                                      • #20
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                                        Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.
                                        Confucius

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