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Eventing Nation booted from covering Event in Unionville, PA

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    Originally posted by Djones View Post

    stout male slaves were called bucks. Shhhhhhhhh.
    Huh???? Bucks? Is it deer season yet?

    Ok....I get it.....

    Bucks County Horse Park.....ok, I admit it..... I'm a little slow on the double entendre here.....
    Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
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      Originally posted by Djones View Post

      stout male slaves were called bucks. Shhhhhhhhh.
      Yes. And the many different contexts human beings were referred to as “bucks” in historical documents? Super super super hard to read... and it makes me sad to think about it.

      Bucks county, PA wasn’t about that type of bucks though. Just like Plantation Field, Pa, wasn’t about that type of plantation.

      Morven Park on the other hand... well... the lived history of slaves at that specific location? Yeah. But the focus wasn’t on “bucks” apparently. It was on a truly profoundly twisted sort of white privilege, and a horrible sort of suffering that young, female slaves endured there.

      And yet... all these proud people who seem to have sincere anti-racist convictions are busy arguing on this thread in support of their pal Leslie, and her choice to target Plantation Field this summer, as the subject of an EN editorial... while simultaneously ignoring Morven Park.

      The fact is... that choice on EN’s part was telling. It tells me they are either a bit ignorant of the history of different eventing venues, or outright disingenuous about being crusaders and advocates of greater racial sensitivity in the sport.

      I know some of you are annoyed at my continued decision to poke at LW and EN... and I’m sorry to have posted yet again about how annoyed I am with them. But I really think they they terribly bungled an important and very sensitive issue.

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        Leslie sold her reputation down the river, and things went south...

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          Originally posted by Djones View Post
          Leslie sold her reputation down the river, and things went south...
          I see what you did there
          Let me apologize in advance.

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            Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post

            I see what you did there
            I've got more lines than Carter's got liver pills.

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              Ahhhh... brevity is the soul of wit!

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                Mr. Walker donated large sums of money to the Chester County Food Bank in its early years, his donations declined even as Plantation Field's venue for eventing improved significantly. I suspect that the food bank is going to be the big winner here. Maybe they will send a letter of thanks to USEA, USEF & EN for freeing up the funds.

                My hope is that the improvements done by PFEE as a 501c3 remain. I bet he put money into it directly (see decline in amount given to the food bank even as Plantation Field became one of the best places for eventing). Maybe the local 4H, Pony Club, dog people, etc. will still be in a position to use and appreciate the site and the generosity of the owner.

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                  As in the CE forum when discussing similar topics, please avoid labeling other users as racists, snowflakes, etc. or otherwise getting into personal commentary. We appreciate that it can be difficult to draw that line when the issue at hand relates to how people approach these sensitive issues (so it's inherently "personal commentary"), but as an overarching guideline, let's avoid being snotty to each other. And, as always, please avoid the use of profanity, per our posting policies.

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                    I also don't understand why EN had to be told they were no longer welcome at Plantation Field. Shouldn't they have boycotted covering it? Or instead of criticizing the owner/organizer for the name, why not criticize those who spent their money to compete there? If Glaccum and Walker were guilty of harming non-White riders and their families or giving offense by virtue of the name, then surely those who paid entry fees were too.

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                      Originally posted by MorganSercu View Post
                      I also don't understand why EN had to be told they were no longer welcome at Plantation Field. Shouldn't they have boycotted covering it? Or instead of criticizing the owner/organizer for the name, why not criticize those who spent their money to compete there? If Glaccum and Walker were guilty of harming non-White riders and their families or giving offense by virtue of the name, then surely those who paid entry fees were too.
                      Excellent point. They are not that invested. They would have covered it and honestly we, the general eventing public, only know of their disagreement BECAUSE they were asked to not show up. If that never happened this wouldn’t be a thing.

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                        Originally posted by Virginia Horse Mom View Post
                        Morven Park on the other hand... well... the lived history of slaves at that specific location? Yeah. But the focus wasn’t on “bucks” apparently. It was on a truly profoundly twisted sort of white privilege, and a horrible sort of suffering that young, female slaves endured there.

                        And yet... all these proud people who seem to have sincere anti-racist convictions are busy arguing on this thread in support of their pal Leslie, and her choice to target Plantation Field this summer, as the subject of an EN editorial... while simultaneously ignoring Morven Park.

                        The fact is... that choice on EN’s part was telling. It tells me they are either a bit ignorant of the history of different eventing venues, or outright disingenuous about being crusaders and advocates of greater racial sensitivity in the sport.
                        There is a huge difference between naming something after a thing (which is done to celebrate that thing), and repurposing land while educating about its history.

                        Morven Park does not celebrate slavery. It hosts a horse trial on grounds that were historically home to slaves, and while doing so it educates visitors in an appropriate way about the history of the grounds and the lessons learned (another poster on this thread pointed out to me that the house is available for educational tours, complimentary access to which is provided to competitors, there is signage on the grounds outlining the history and what was learned, etc.)

                        Conversely, Plantation Field does celebrate a plantation – in this case, a pine plantation that was installed as a service project. Maybe not the kind of plantation that springs to mind for many people, but it was named in celebration of a plantation. If I were the owner, I would be concerned that people might think I was celebrating the other kind of plantation (and would consider a name change as a result), but of course I’m not the owner. What is not up for debate, however, is that Plantation Field was so named to celebrate a plantation.

                        Originally posted by MorganSercu View Post
                        I also don't understand why EN had to be told they were no longer welcome at Plantation Field. Shouldn't they have boycotted covering it?
                        They didn’t have a problem with the event itself, they were concerned with the name of the event. As is their right (I’m paraphrasing pluvinel here – their blog, their rules), they elected not to print the name on their blog, and reached out to the event to discuss potential alternative nomenclature (ex. calling it “Unionville”, as the FEI does). When the event received that request, they barred EN from attending, as is THEIR right (their event, their rules). Since it would be odd for EN not to cover an event of that caliber, they addressed it on their blog, and now we are all here.
                        Last edited by Marigold; Oct. 19, 2020, 10:44 AM.

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                          Originally posted by Marigold View Post

                          There is a huge difference between naming something after a thing (which is done to celebrate that thing), and repurposing land while educating about its history.
                          Morven Park does not celebrate slavery. It hosts a horse trial on grounds that were historically home to slaves, and while doing so it educates visitors in an appropriate way about the history of the grounds and the lessons learned (another poster on this thread pointed out to me that the house is available for educational tours, complimentary access to which is provided to competitors, there is signage on the grounds outlining the history and what was learned, etc.)

                          Conversely, Plantation Field does celebrate plantations. Maybe not the kind of plantations that spring to mind for many people, but it was named in celebration of a plantation. If I were the owner, I would be concerned that people might think I was celebrating the other kind of plantation (and would consider a name change as a result), but of course I’m not the owner. What is not up for debate, however, is that Plantation Field was so named to celebrate plantations.


                          Not plantations. A pine plantation service project.
                          Let me apologize in advance.

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                            "They didn’t have a problem with the event itself, they were concerned with the name of the event"

                            I view that as very hypocritical of them. If it was so important that the name be changed that they would take it up with USEA, USEF & PFEE then they should have set aside their profit margin and stood aside. They wanted everyone else to risk their investment and capital in the event but they didn't hold themselves to the same standard - nor did they risk the courage of their convictions.
                            Last edited by MorganSercu; Oct. 18, 2020, 06:22 PM.

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                              "Morven Park does not celebrate slavery."

                              Neither does Plantation Field.
                              "It's like a Russian nesting doll of train wrecks."--CaitlinandTheBay

                              ...just settin' on the Group W bench.

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                                Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                "Morven Park does not celebrate slavery."

                                Neither does Plantation Field.
                                These people, man, the disingenuous semantic games are just wacky.
                                Let me apologize in advance.

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                                  I totally agree....."Their Blog - Their Rules".......but EN went much beyond the bounds of their own publication when they started to make demands on others.

                                  Originally posted by Marigold View Post

                                  ......


                                  They didn’t have a problem with the event itself, they were concerned with the name of the event. As is their right (I’m paraphrasing pluvinel here – their blog, their rules), they elected not to print the name on their blog, and reached out to the event to discuss potential alternative nomenclature (ex. calling it “Unionville”, as the FEI does). When the event received that request, they barred EN from attending, as is THEIR right (their event, their rules). Since it would be odd for EN not to cover an event of that caliber, they addressed it on their blog, and now we are all here.
                                  I would say that EN did much more than simply ask PFEE what to call or how to refer to the Plantation Field event in their publication.

                                  According to COTH, EN threatened escalation if the organizer and owner did not comply with their demands.
                                  https://www.chronofhorse.com/article...n-field-events

                                  In June, writers from eventing blog EventingNation.com approached the U.S. Eventing Association and Jenni Autry, the USEF managing director of eventing, about concerns over the connotations of the name due to the word plantation and its association with slavery. USEA leadership began looking into the issue, though the organization does not license or approve events; the USEF does.
                                  ........
                                  ........

                                  On Aug. 19, Eventing Nation editor Leslie Wylie took the topic to Denis Glaccum, organizer and owner of Plantation Field Equestrian Events.

                                  Glaccum and Walker did not agree to change the name of the 300-acre site, which has been in the Walker family for generations.

                                  .........
                                  .........

                                  Wylie said they tried to go through official channels and pursue the most diplomatic route. “EN’s actions and communications in this situation were consistently chosen with the goal of minimizing negative escalation and maximizing the potential for a positive change,” she said. “We, like many in our community, are extremely disappointed in the end result. If the event’s stakeholders feel attacked, I think that is more a testament to the divisive and polarizing culture we live in than to our specific communications with them.”

                                  When Wylie informed Glaccum that the website’s writers would no longer refer to the event as Plantation Field, they were asked not to attend or cover the competition. USEA and USEF officials have made no formal announcements about how they will refer to the event, but the USEF sent out a press release on Sept. 3 initially using the word Unionville, then later correcting it to say Plantation Field.
                                  .........
                                  .........
                                  As they proceeded, Wylie and EN owner John Thier knew the loss of the event might be the outcome. In an email shared with the Chronicle, dated Aug. 28, Olympic rider and PFEE board member Boyd Martin wrote, “The worst case outcome for us in the Eventing world is that if the landowner gets so offended with this issue that he decides to kick the event off his land and we lose the venue for the sport we love and need.” Thier responded, “There are many worse outcomes for Eventing in the US than losing the PFI venue, such as the sport not standing up for what is right.”

                                  PFEE board members also said EN invoked the threat of mainstream media coverage if the event did not change its name.
                                  ........
                                  ........

                                  Do not confuse motion and progress. A rocking horse keeps moving but does not make any progress.
                                  Alfred A. Montapert

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                                    Originally posted by Ghazzu View Post
                                    "Morven Park does not celebrate slavery."

                                    Neither does Plantation Field.
                                    Nuance is a thing. Going against my better judgement, apparently in CE if one uses a word that a banned poster does it must mean your that poster 🙄. Clearly nuance Isn’t a thing here.

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                                      Originally posted by B and B View Post

                                      Oh for the love of all that is..... the 1930's was incredibly racist, I totally agree. However, I really do not think that some guy in Pennsylvania in a hard abolitionist/Quaker area is going to make some sort of 21st century racist dog whistle by using the words 'Plantation Field' when in that area and throughout any area with active forestry projects 'plantation' was used all the time. I can pull up thousands of property maps, all with plantation on them. It has nothing, nothing to do with race.
                                      Furthermore, these sorts of nefarious, coded dog whistles look great in movies and fiction. But guess what, people are not that smart. If the guy was racist in the 1930's, he would have been obvious about it. For that matter, it wouldn't have been a good racist dogwhistle in the 1990's. Why? Ask the question: Was the word seen as problematic (and therefor usable as a coded dogwhistle?) in the 1990's? No. Therefore, it would not work as a statement of racism in that time period. Now....if he was naming a brand new event today, in 2020 (but not 2019), I would agree that the name was stupid at best and definitely not to be used.
                                      Now, is it progress that we are more sensitive to the fact that certain words have multiple meanings and some of those meanings are deeply painful? I think so. Does that mean that everything that ever occurred in our history that doesn't conform to our current thinking on race is racist? Apparently in today's climate, it does. I think you can probably guess where I am on that.
                                      Now, crawling back under my rock.
                                      So this thing about the hard abolitionist area got me thinking. Are you saying that because there were abolitionists in Chester County there were no bigots? At all? Ever?

                                      By that logic if there were KKK Klaverns in Chester County in the late 1920's, then everyone in the county was a bigot? All of them?

                                      Probably not. Chester County has had a complicated history with regards to race.

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                                        Originally posted by sing View Post

                                        So this thing about the hard abolitionist area got me thinking. Are you saying that because there were abolitionists in Chester County there were no bigots? At all? Ever?

                                        By that logic if there were KKK Klaverns in Chester County in the late 1920's, then everyone in the county was a bigot? All of them?

                                        Probably not. Chester County has had a complicated history with regards to race.
                                        As I said previously in this thread, we should halt all eventing, sport, hell, all living in nations that fail to meet the 2020 moral purity test.


                                        Because this is silly season.
                                        Let me apologize in advance.

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                                          Plantation Field is actually listed as being in Coatesville. There was a guy in Coatesville named Zachariah. Back in 1911 he got into more than a little bit of trouble that led to him shooting an officer of the law. He then attempted suicide, but failed.

                                          He was hospitalized and chained to his bed. A mob of 2000 people went to the hospital, dragged him out, bed and all and lynched him.

                                          He was the last recorded person lynched in Pennsylvania.

                                          Usually lynching is thought of as hanging, but Zachariah was placed on a fire and burned to death.

                                          Now I do not need to tell you that nobody was convicted for this.

                                          So in 1911 in Coatesville Pennsylvania a black man can be dragged out of a hospital, burned on the street with 2000 people watching, and nobody faces any consequences for that.

                                          The history of Chester County is complicated, so I cannot say with the assurance that others here have, that there is no malign intent to the naming of Plantation Fields.

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