Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You're responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it--details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums' policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it's understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users' profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses -- Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it's related to a horse for sale, regardless of who's selling it, it doesn't belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions -- Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services -- Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products -- While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements -- Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be "bumped" excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues -- Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators' discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you'd rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user's membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Going down banks question

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Going down banks question

    In the book "Masters of Eventing", in Diana Thorne's section on drop fences, she discusses how she usually leans forward a bit for drops rather than back. She also discussed the importance of still having your leg properly out in front of you.

    I tried this while schooling, granted not big drops (maybe training size tops) and found that it felt much smoother. It's worth noting that I wasn't leaning forward like a hunter rider, more so just closing my hip angle a few degrees. I'm curious if others do this, as I've always been told you should lean way back. Thoughts?

    I’m no expert, and haven’t jumped XC in a long time, but I was always taught that jumping down a bank is the same as the back side (second half) of any regular jump. So it makes sense that staying with the motion would be smoother than leaning way back. It also makes sense that you don’t want to be in front of the motion or falling on the neck on landing.

    There are situations that call for defensive riding, maybe more so in XC given the terrain and solid obstacles, but it’s always going to be smoother for both you and the horse if you can stay with the motion rather than behind it.


      To quote Nick Holmes -Smith. Forward Wombat. Back door Bandit...


        I think the leaning back makes sense for defensive riding...sometimes down banks are a bit scary for horses and sometimes too they rocket launch it. If you’re leaning forward a bit, with the drop down, if there’s a refusal or something happens, I think you’d be more likely to fall. But that may not be accurate.

        HOWEVER, I think staying with the motion of the horse is super important, so you may adjust your hip angle during the drop. Which sounds like maybe is what she’s alluding to.

        I only ride BN and have schooled novice, so I can’t say that my thoughts are fact or totally make sense, but in my head it makes sense.


          In my clinics with UL eventers, all have instructed me to keep my torso vertical to the ground whether jumping up or down a bank. Do this by keeping eyes on the horizon and not looking down. And when going down a bank, land in the stirrups to avoid landing heavily on the saddle. I only ride Novice and schooling training, but this has worked for me and my horse. YMMV.
          Savor those rides where you feel like a million bucks, because there will be those where you feel like a cheap date...


            I don’t do either. Most riders if they lean forward will get too far ahead. I just wait and let the horse jump off the bank. I don’t lean back..but stay tall, and push my feet a little forward (a lot forward off a bigger bank) let the horse open my hips. Jimmy would tell people to push their hips forward. Whatever works for you to go with the moment and land in Your feet (not on the saddle). Unless the horse makes a big move...over most banks, it really isn’t much.

            Here are a couple of good videos. I like the second video to see some jumping some bigger banks. You can really see the importance for feet forward. Those riders whose feet are not forward on landing are the ones that are then pitched forward with their upper bodies.


            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


              Imagine yourself doing rising trot. Now do the rise as your horse is taking off. It gets your seat out of the saddle and keeps your weight in your feet without leaning forward. Over a bigger drop I think about having my legs in front of me more, but still the rise motion is all I do on take off. If the landing is steep or the drop is big then over the top and back of the jump I can lean back if needed.

              Doing this means you don't have the horse's back and/or the cantle of the saddle smacking you or pushing you forward either, which I see often. That just makes for a very jarring ride for both horse and rider.

              You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng


                Originally posted by Lusoluv View Post
                In my clinics with UL eventers, all have instructed me to keep my torso vertical to the ground whether jumping up or down a bank. Do this by keeping eyes on the horizon and not looking down. And when going down a bank, land in the stirrups to avoid landing heavily on the saddle. I only ride Novice and schooling training, but this has worked for me and my horse. YMMV.
                this ^ I was also told torso vertical to the ground, look up at the horizon and land in my heels and absorb the motion like skiing moguls.
                "Do what you can't do"


                  Uphill or downhill, the rider stays vertical to the ground. It helps to learn to bend from the waist.
                  Some riders change their horse, they change their saddle, they change their teacher; they never change themselves.

                  Remember the horse does all the work, we just sit there and look pretty.


                    Hips forward, core tight and chin up with a still upper body helped me the most when I was struggling with down banks. Lighten your seat slightly by pressing down into both stirrups and slightly close the hip angle as you land to follow the motion. I find telling riders "lean back or shoulders back" makes them heavy in the seat and more floppy, and often their leg swings way out and off in front to compensate. And those that raise their seat, lean forward or 2 point off the bank are asking to be lawn darted should the horse trip or something happens on landing. And yes leg a bit forward out in front but not crazily so. When I'm teaching it I like to emphasize the feet on the dashboard feeling along with all the other important points and then usually after a bit of schooling people find a happy place with their leg nicely supportive down through their heel and slightly in front of them but where they can still have a light seat with their calves on.
                    Eventing It Up In The Great White North! A girl, a horse, and a helmet cam!!


                      The most meaningful advice I ever got, and give to other people, is to think about landing into your feet as if you were jumping down the bank yourself. You want to land on the far side in an athletic, knees-bent posture on a flat foot. YMMV
                      "Cynicism is a sorry kind of wisdom" Barack Obama


                        "Look up, feet on the dashboard, and pray to your God" Looking down, and you will surely follow - all the way to the ground,
                        Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique


                          I've just been watching videos of Lucinda Green teaching xc technique. My hero. Look some up.

                          I was taught that for ditches and drops keep your eye on the horizon, keep in balance with the horse (neither too forward nor leaning back) and soft fingers so they can use their neck.
                          "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths


                            Originally posted by Willesdon View Post
                            I've just been watching videos of Lucinda Green teaching xc technique. My hero. Look some up.

                            I was taught that for ditches and drops keep your eye on the horizon, keep in balance with the horse (neither too forward nor leaning back) and soft fingers so they can use their neck.
                            I found eyes on the horizon didn’t work for me.....I focus on where I want to go as if there was a jump just after the ditch or drop (which eventually there will be) and to ride on to that jump. Just a different approach (and I think different things work for different people).
                            ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **


                              At a clinic with Boyd, he discussed both styles. He said that a “light” seat down the bank worked better for some combinations, and that taking the “stay back” approach sometimes causes riders to pop the horses back on landing.

                              I guess the take-home is to be in balance and not ahead of or behind the motion. Wherever that’s puts your derrière.
                              Always be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Then always be Batman.

                              The Grove at Five Points