Sport Horse Spotlight


Real Estate Spotlight

467 Charles_1

Sale Spotlight

COTH_without Subscribe
  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.



Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You�re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the Forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it�details of personal disputes may be better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts, though are not legally obligated to do so, regardless of content.

Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting. Moderators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts unless they have been alerted and have determined that a post, thread or user has violated the Forums� policies. Moderators do not regularly independently monitor the Forums for such violations.

Profanity, outright vulgarity, blatant personal insults or otherwise inappropriate statements will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

Users may provide their positive or negative experiences with or opinions of companies, products, individuals, etc.; however, accounts involving allegations of criminal behavior against named individuals or companies MUST be first-hand accounts and may NOT be made anonymously.

If a situation has been reported upon by a reputable news source or addressed by law enforcement or the legal system it is open for discussion, but if an individual wants to make their own claims of criminal behavior against a named party in the course of that discussion, they too must identify themselves by first and last name and the account must be first-person.

Criminal allegations that do not satisfy these requirements, when brought to our attention, may be removed pending satisfaction of these criteria, and we reserve the right to err on the side of caution when making these determinations.

Credible threats of suicide will be reported to the police along with identifying user information at our disposal, in addition to referring the user to suicide helpline resources such as 1-800-SUICIDE or 1-800-273-TALK.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it�s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users� profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses � Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it�s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who�s selling it, it doesn�t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions � Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services � Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products � While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements � Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be �bumped� excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues � Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators� discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the �alert� button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your �Ignore� list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you�d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user�s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

F150 and a Gooseneck

  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • F150 and a Gooseneck

    I have found a fantastic deal on an almost new Sundowner gooseneck and am wondering if my 2017 F150 (V8) with 5 1/2 foot bed will work to pull it? Anyone have advice on a short bed truck?

  • #2
    My honest opinion? No. Short wheel bases with long trailers (you don't say how big of a GN you have) is just a bad idea. In cases of sudden stops, or where you swerve, the trailer will lift the rear wheels or snap the truck around.

    Additionally, you need to check that the load on the suspension is within the capabilities of your truck. Also, make sure your brakes on the truck are rated for more than the trailer. You do NOT want to rely on the trailer brakes to help stop you.

    I've had my share of truck/trailer accidents (jack-knife, broadsided, broken axles, lost brakes,...). You want to make sure you have more than you need considering it is you and your horses on the road.


    • #3
      Likely not a good idea but you might get better advice by clarifying how long is the GN trailer? Dressing room? Two horse presumably? Terrain you’ll be hauling over?


      • #4
        I have a 2018 crew cab short bed V8 F-150. No way would I use it to haul a gooseneck.

        Honestly, I've been pretty disappointed in the towing performance of this truck. I've got a 2 horse bumper pull that's within the rated towing capacity of the truck, but I just don't feel like it handles the load as well as my old truck (2003 F-150 V8 regular cab) did.
        Last edited by NoSuchPerson; Jan. 10, 2020, 01:12 PM.
        "Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything
        that's even remotely true."

        Homer Simpson


        • #5
          Also, how long is the truck? What kind of cab is it? That will make a difference in the wheelbase length.

          I tow a gooseneck with a short bed 3/4 ton Chevy, but their short bed is 6.5', so a whole foot longer than yours.


          • #6
            I know several people that tow a two horse aluminum gooseneck with a 1/2 ton. The 1/2 tons have biggest motor option and seem to tow, and stop, just fine. It would depend on your trailer and your towing needs. My friend with the 5 1/2 foot bed has a gooseneck extender and is limited in where she can turn around however.


            • #7
              I have a 2010 F150 and haul a 2H with dressing Hawk GN that has a 17' box. It has the 5.5 foot bed.

              I do have a 9 inch gooseneck extender/coupler, which makes it so I don't crunch my cab in tight spots. but otherwise, my setup hauls like a dream. I did invest in a good brake box, which any truck/trailer should have, but the truck handles my trailer easily.

              My family used to have a Chevy with a 454 engine pulling a 36 foot box (4 horse with 10' living quarters). I started driving that rig in the mountains on my 16th birthday, and ran it for many years. I sure can stop a hell of a lot faster with my F150 and baby GN! No comparison. I like the stability of a GN, and would never go back to bumper pull. I also don't think I'd upgrade as my truck is my daily driver and honestly a longer truck won't fit in my garage, something that matters in the lake effect snow belt!

              The only downside is that I wouldn't use it to haul 3 horses, and I have 3 horses, so any plans of taking the whole crew somewhere are futile. Probably best for my wallet anyway.


              • #8
                I'll only speak to the bed length as I know nothing about that particular trucjk- but unless the gooseneck is a v nose - your turning situation is going to be pretty challenging. Definitely get a extender, and be prepared to not have to get into super tight places.

                If you've never driven a gooseneck before you really should take it to a large empty parking lot and practice a bit. It's pretty freaky to see how close the trailer appears out the rear view mirror, and you need to get used to how tight they turn to avoid going over tons of curbs.

                I drive a ridiculously large fifth wheel with my SO's race car in it. My truck has a 6.5 foot bed - we spent the money for the sliding hitch, and the trailer has a fairly substantial v-nose. It has the advantage of helping with the turning radius and with wind resistance for fuel mileage. I know that a sliding hitch isn't available for a gooseneck, which is why if you do it - get the coupler extender if it won't overload the truck past the axle.


                • #9
                  In addition to what other folks have said I don't think your F150 will meet the payload of your loaded GN. My 2H GN weighed 4400# empty. Add a horse and it was 5600#. Add tack into the dressing room and it got it up to 6000#. You need to take 20% of that as tongue weight that will rest in the bed of your truck -- so 1200#.

                  I don't know you truck ratings, but you can figure it out. Just google the GCVWR and you will find trailer sites that tell you how to calc it. The Ford dealers don't know, that is for sure!


                  • #10
                    ^ What BlueDrifter said. Its really the payload capacity (how much weight you can put in the bed of the truck) that limits the F150s from towing gooseneck trailers. I have a 2011 F150 5.0L (V8) with the standard 6.5' bed, supercrew cab, FX4. I'm looking to upgrade my truck in order to purchase a gooseneck - a 2 horse sundowner exceeds my payload capacity (but not my towing capacity - there is a difference!). You'll need to look up the specifics of your make/model/options - but I believe you're <1500 lbs.


                    • #11
                      I have a 2H Sundowner I pull with a 2019 Chevy Silverado, but like others in this thread, I have the 6.5 foot bed and my trailer has a V nose. I personally wouldn't pull a gooseneck with a 5.5 foot bed.

                      When deciding whether or not to get my gooseneck, I used this link from B&W hitches to make sure that my trailer was within the capabilities of my truck: It was VERY useful.


                      • #12
                        I've had the opposite experience from the above comments with v-nose goosenecks (could purely be based on the specific rig I drove though). I haul with a 2500HD with a 6.5' bed and my personal trailer is a Kiefer gooseneck, which has a flat nose with tapered sides. I borrowed a friend's Sundowner with a v-nose and had much less wiggle room when negotiating my tight barnyard. When I crank the wheel with my trailer, the tapered side becomes parallel to the back of my cab. When I crank it in a v-nose, the pointed side would be pointing at my cab. My Kiefer is longer than the Sundowner I borrowed but it handles better in tighter spaces given the nose design.
                        "Last time I picked your feet, you broke my toe!"


                        • #13
                          The answer should be NO. And it actually has less to do with the wheelbase length (though the longer it is the better, yes) or the bed length...
                          I could stand on a soap box for a week, I have made myself a student of the subject over many years.
                          Experts - and by this I mean qualified people who study horse trailer accident data, not auto dealers (most of whom have never towed a loaded horse trailer) - recommend that you do not exceed 80% of the tow vehicle's published gross combination weight rating (GCWR). The GCWR is the weight of the truck, its passengers, payload (if any), cargo AND the weight of the trailer and its contents.
                          Why 80%? Horses do not tow like boats or RVs. They are a dynamic, top heavy load that has a very high center of gravity and their own inertia. You might be able to PULL a loaded two horse gooseneck (most of those have dressing rooms, adding to their weight) but you might not be able to STOP it or haul it out of trouble under anything but the most ideal driving circumstances or conditions.
                          Most 1/2 ton pick up trucks - even the very stoutest of them - rarely have a GCWR that would safely meet that 80% recommendation. .
                          As an example, say a 1/2 tron truck is a 4X4 with a V8 engine, has a huge 163" wheelbase and an 8' bed... Its published GCWR is still just 12,000lbs. Towing horses, using the 80% calculation, would mean you should not exceed a combination weight of 9,600lbs. This same vehicle's curb weight is 4,600lbs. Add two people, a dog, tack, 20 gallons of water (which weighs over 8 pounds each, so over 150lbs) and THEN add in the weight of the trailer itself (most two horse goosenecks with a dressing room are around 4,000lbs), hay, the trailer mats, spare tires and two 1,200lb horses? Thats a weight of - conservatively - 11,600lbs., way over what is advised by the folks that study wrecks.
                          Hauling horses is risky enough. Don't under truck - it just isn't worth it!


                          • #14
                            The above weight analysis puts my 2500HD out of the running to tow any gooseneck so it doesn't sound right to me.


                            • #15
                              I agree about the payload capacity being the most important, and there are so many versions of the F150, it is hard to figure out. If you know which truck you own ( eg wheel base, axle ratio, 4x4 or not, any options like max tow package or max payload package) you can check this. You can find which truck you have in the purchase paperwork if you bought it new (you can also get some info from the sticker inside the back edge of the driver’s door, or ask the service dept at your dealership look it up), then look up payload capacity in your owner’s manual. I assumed that my f-150 would be good as it has the max tow package, but when I looked up the payload capacity, it would be maxed out with the 4200 lb gooseneck I was looking at. So now I am looking at a bumper pull with a big tack room that I can put a bunk in.

                              Also to save you some grief, if you get a bumper pull, get an equalizer hitch no matter what the trailer dealership tells you. I was told I did not need one, but when I checked my hitch (a class 4, which is probably what your truck has), I discovered it could only pull a trailer with a tongue weight of 500 lbs without an equalizer hitch (tongue weight on a bumper pull is 5-10% of the loaded trailer weight).


                              • #16
                                Absolutely not.
                                "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope


                                • #17
                                  Get the Sundowner and upgrade your truck to a 3/4 ton.


                                  • #18
                                    I have a Chevy 1500 with a 2 horse gooseneck. We bought the trunk with towing in mind, so it has the biggest axial, engine and transmission coolers for example. My first degree is in mechanical engineering and when I was looking at everything, I found every calculations I could find about trailering and did them myself. But you need to do it for your specific truck.

                                    It was with the tolerances for what I was going to be doing with a safety margin. I never had any problems with it even in the mountains of west Virginia. I did get an adam aluminum skinned trailer with a dry weight of 3200 lbs, which helps.

                                    When we moved from va to Ne, we had to weight everything for the navy to pay for the move. So we had my horse, the otherside of the trailer packed with things, dressing room filled including 5 hay nails plus 50+ saddles in the gooseneck (18 lbs each). It was at the maxweight of the capabilities of the truck and even in the mountains it was fine. Not what I would normally ever recommend doing something like that.

                                    I normally only hauled my horse and stuff. Every so often a friends horse too.
                                    Jacobson's Saddlery, LLC
                                    Society of Master Saddlers Qualified Fitter