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    #41
    I am pretty sure he got one. Tilly wrote extensively about this in EN.
    Another killer of threads

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      #42
      Originally posted by Larksmom View Post
      I am pretty sure he got one. Tilly wrote extensively about this in EN.
      I read he got an official warning. Not adequate in my opinion.
      Blugal

      You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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        #43
        wow, I understood it was a yellow card. I agree a warning isn't enough.
        Another killer of threads

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          #44
          Originally posted by Auburn View Post
          Too much carnage. Period. Why do CD's do this? This really makes me sad for our sport. If you look at the results, you do not see any MR's. At least one of the ones shown on the youtube video was a MR. I wonder about that horse, too? It seemed to be walking strangely, after the fall. There were some really good riders and horses who bought the dust. I just do not understand how these courses keep getting approved? The Officials need to stand up and do the right thing, too. They need to make CD's produce safer courses. JMHO.
          The FEI scoring system doesn't use MR for public results, it's only "E" for horse and/or rider falls.
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          fri [fri:] fritt fria (adj): Free
          skritt [skrit:] skritten (noun): Walk

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            #45
            Originally posted by FrittSkritt View Post

            The FEI scoring system doesn't use MR for public results, it's only "E" for horse and/or rider falls.
            https://www.worldsporttiming.com/res.../schedule.html
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              #46
              Originally posted by trubandloki View Post



              I just saw this video that was going around Facebook. In my opinion he looks to be having a temper tantrum. You can pull off your equipment with out all the dramatic stomping and tossing.
              This video does not show what happened after the horse cantered off and the rider gained their composure.


              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g1a...N_ROj3DNEHrr_c


              I don't know too many horses that will willingly try to jump into a solid wall on their own.
              They showed it much later from a different angle on tge live stream...you saw him getting back with his horse. No anger at all towards the horse.

              And yup....something not right with that horse to even attempt the wall. That is dangerous bold.
              ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                #47
                Originally posted by FrittSkritt View Post

                The FEI scoring system doesn't use MR for public results, it's only "E" for horse and/or rider falls.
                It may not show on WST - sort of depends on how the individual live scoring site like to reflect things - but the FEI system absolutely does track horse falls, and too many will affect your qualifications.

                It shows up on FEI records as a result of “EL” (meaning eliminated) with “XC-FH” as an example of the score (signifying a fall of the horse on cross country). A rider fall would be a score of “XC-FR”, for example (prefix varies depending on the phase).

                ETA: I don’t remember seeing WST reflecting details on the eliminations on a phase by phase basis, but now that the results are final they do show horse falls for Wesko, Salunette, and Archie Rocks, distinguished from eliminations due to refusals or rider falls. Final results here: https://www.worldsporttiming.com/con...001_017811.pdf

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Marigold View Post

                  It may not show on WST - sort of depends on how the individual live scoring site like to reflect things - but the FEI system absolutely does track horse falls, and too many will affect your qualifications.

                  It shows up on FEI records as a result of “EL” (meaning eliminated) with “XC-FH” as an example of the score (signifying a fall of the horse on cross country). A rider fall would be a score of “XC-FR”, for example (prefix varies depending on the phase).

                  ETA: I don’t remember seeing WST reflecting details on the eliminations on a phase by phase basis, but now that the results are final they do show horse falls for Wesko, Salunette, and Archie Rocks, distinguished from eliminations due to refusals or rider falls. Final results here: https://www.worldsporttiming.com/con...001_017811.pdf
                  I know - hence I said "public scoring" - it wasn't until recently that they implemented comprehensive scoring everyone could see with detailed fence-by-fence results and rider/horse falls. But some don't... Rolex/Land Rover KY only shows "E" on the leaderboard overall scores. It does show RF/MR if you scroll through the xc fence report: https://realtime.startboxscoring.com/leaderBoard.html

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                  fri [fri:] fritt fria (adj): Free
                  skritt [skrit:] skritten (noun): Walk

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                    #49
                    So happy for Canadian rider Holly Jacks Smithers!!

                    I think a new rule needs to be brought in that if your tack breaks, you're done.
                    Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                      So happy for Canadian rider Holly Jacks Smithers!!

                      I think a new rule needs to be brought in that if your tack breaks, you're done.
                      Sad that we need rules to dictate common sense.

                      i’m pumped for Holly too. I love that she specifically brought her horse to Pau because she thought it would suit him. IMO a lot of the problems are caused by people bringing horses unsuited to this notoriously twisty track.

                      happy too for Ros Canter, that’s a five star back from maternity leave that she has to feel good about

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                        #51
                        Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                        And yup....something not right with that horse to even attempt the wall. That is dangerous bold.
                        The way the video looks to me (a person who was clearly not there and is only seeing it on video), the rider is steering the horse towards that wall. It looks like the rider was again reaching for the short broken rein. The horse was doing what the rider was telling it to do.

                        Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                        So happy for Canadian rider Holly Jacks Smithers!!

                        I think a new rule needs to be brought in that if your tack breaks, you're done.
                        Originally posted by punchy View Post

                        Sad that we need rules to dictate common sense.
                        I agree! Sad that there needs to be a rule about common sense. But then, lots of rules are about common sense.


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                          #52
                          Originally posted by punchy View Post
                          Sad that we need rules to dictate common sense.
                          Except that we have a hero culture when it comes to dealing with adverse incidents.

                          Like who doesn’t remember Mark Todd’s Badminton round where he lost a complete stirrup - leather and iron - early on the course?

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                            #53
                            Originally posted by Madeline View Post

                            Have you ever hit a rapidgate skiing? Have you ever hit a wooden pole? Which hurts more? One major advantage of the rapidgate is that it does not break into sharp bits and stab you. Another is that the course maintenance people do not have to reset it. A third is that it doesn't usually spring back until you have passed it. ( Ski racers pad their arms and shins heavily because they repeatedly ( like 50 times per run) ski into the pole deliberately.

                            Besides, I watched about an hour of the Pau XC and saw several poles behaving exactly like rapidgates, and no one seemed to be writhing in pain.
                            I would think the concern about the rapidgate is the effect on the horse, not the rider. What happens if it snaps back prior to the horse clearing the fence and smacks the horse's butt? Not fair to the horse to get hit for something they probably have no idea about in the first place. I'd still rather have some sort of spring loaded pole rather than a wooden stick.

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                              #54
                              Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                              So happy for Canadian rider Holly Jacks Smithers!!

                              I think a new rule needs to be brought in that if your tack breaks, you're done.
                              What about a stirrup? Or one piece of a 5 point breastplate? Or one of two running martingale straps?

                              I think it should have fallen where it should have fallen to start with - dangerous riding.

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                                #55
                                Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post

                                They showed it much later from a different angle on tge live stream...you saw him getting back with his horse. No anger at all towards the horse.

                                And yup....something not right with that horse to even attempt the wall. That is dangerous bold.
                                I saw this posted elsewhere and can see this the same way:

                                I believe now after watching this for about the hundredth time that the horse believed it was a brush fence. He saw the definition of the bottom of the fence and believed he could jump through the vertical lines - it looks a lot like a brush fence although of course we know it isn't but the horse believed his rider guided him to it, therefore he trusted his rider. Also, you can see the jumping effort was not to go over this wall as he could have easily jumped another meter higher, he thought he was casually jumping through

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                                  #56
                                  Ugh. I thought the horse read it as a brush fence as well, and honestly, the rider probably thought it'd stop the horse. I suspect I'd have done the same. Not going to crucify him for that.

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                                    #57
                                    Originally posted by Saskatoonian View Post
                                    honestly, the rider probably thought it'd stop the horse.
                                    This is an important point. I have personally done this and it is a stupid thing to do. My horse tried to jump out of the ring, hit the top of the fence, and I fell off. It could have been much worse. A friend of mine witnessed a student do the same and the result was much worse; she sprained her ankle and her horse stifled itself badly.

                                    Lesson learned: never try to stop your horse by facing it at a fence. Instead, circle until you have control.
                                    Blugal

                                    You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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                                      #58
                                      Not to derail, but in fairness, he didn't face him at a fence: he faced him at a wall, and the horse misread it. And circling to get control doesn't always work, especially on a fit horse with his blood up.

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                                        #59
                                        PSA: You don’t run horses into any kind of shit to get them to stop.

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                                          #60
                                          Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post

                                          What about a stirrup? Or one piece of a 5 point breastplate? Or one of two running martingale straps?

                                          I think it should have fallen where it should have fallen to start with - dangerous riding.
                                          well we saw with Mark Todd it can be done with no stirrup but his horse was too back sore afterward to continue onto SJ.

                                          All are dangerous to continue with if broken IMO.

                                          FWIW the rider said the horse locked onto that bit and he couldn't pull him off.
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