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  • Boekelo

    Anybody watching? I found it free somehow in Dutch. Looks like Jennie Brannigan had a fall but I didn't see it. Tamra clear with a small bit of time and Liz clear with a tiny bit more time. It looks pretty wet out there.

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    Link??
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    • #3
      https://www.military-boekelo.nl/LiveStream/LiveStream

      I haven't seen anything live because the times don't work at all on the west coast.

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      • #4
        It is a bit puzzling. The dressage was available online free. But there was no commentary. I thought it was odd, but what the hey. So I roll out of bed at 5 am and tried to pick it up and it reverted to FEI TV. Pay per view. I don't really mind that, but I am surprised they showed the dressage. I might subscribe to FEI if they showed more eventing.

        As far as Boekelo, looks like Tammie was double clear, and she is still 6th or 7th I think? Jennie must have had a fall, at fence 16. I looked it up and it is a corner. A big corner. looks like 22 another corner caused quite a few problems. Liz got thru with 2. something penalties, and for some reason, when Matt's score went up, it showed him ahead of Liz. When I checked back later, it looks like he had 22 penalties and he dropped way down. So we will have to wait till Tilly posts at EN. But I cannot find the team scores ANYWHERE.
        Another killer of threads

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        • #5
          So nice things went well for Tamie. Shame about Jennie....was really hoping she would have a good go

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          • #6
            Jennie's fall was a shame. It just looked like the mare didn't really read the back rail of the corner and drifted a bit left. The frangible broke and Jennie went out the front door. She was having to work very hard to get the mare back but the fall definitely looked like bad luck. Not a scary fall by any means.

            Liz and Tammie both went very well with 2.4 and 0.8 time, respectively. I think if Mai Baum jumps clear tomorrow Tammie's got a very good shot at Tokyo. For an 8 year old especially, Cooley Quicksilver was very impressive. He's a big horse but he jumps very economically and fished really well. I'm sure they're both very happy with their days.

            The leader board is EXTREMELY tight.
            https://www.rechenstelle.de/en/agenda/2019/boekelo/

            Interesting side note: the commentator mentioned that Liz is moving back to the U.S. permanently in November and is establishing a base "outside of Kentucky."

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            • #7
              Team scores: https://live.rechenstelle.de/2019/bo...tioncup01.html

              Based on fence by fence results, it looks like Matt was clear with time on the xc.

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              • #8
                Jennie's fall. I watched on FEI TV. They showed the fall and a replay. It appeared to be rider error. Jennie had the wrong line. The horse could not cover the width of the fence and appeared to try to put down in the middle of the fence. Each of the commentators thought that Jennie veered left.

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                • #9
                  Not sure about anyone who watched it on FEI but I was pretty disappointed with their live feed - seems like it was 50% horses and 50% people watching, and I don't think I saw much of the course - I think only a few shots of the jumps in the area, the water, drop and the corners that gave everyone issues and then lots and lots of dogs and people.

                  I've not kept up with the new Olympic format but it seems like even though a rider is eliminated they can still show jump? Can anyone fill me in on that. The commentators and Eventing Nation both talked about the Irish guy that fell may show jump or someone else may fill in or something, and I see in the 2nd jog order that Jennie is jogging - not sure if the jog order is correct though.

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                  • #10
                    Tilly did a long article in EN about how the scoring works. I do not see how you can come back and show jump if you didn't finish xc And then add 200 points but you get to finish. This is going to be a disaster in Japan.
                    Another killer of threads

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                    • #11
                      Something just feels wrong about letting a pair continue when they would have been eliminated at any other event.

                      Also seems like letting horses who did not finish cross country continue on to stadium jumping could bring a new level of intensity to the 2nd jog.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post
                        Something just feels wrong about letting a pair continue when they would have been eliminated at any other event.

                        Also seems like letting horses who did not finish cross country continue on to stadium jumping could bring a new level of intensity to the 2nd jog.
                        Not just that....they can let their reserve who didn’t run xc substitute in. Honestly.....if is FAR FAR FAR more confusing scoring system than just having a drop score.
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                        • #13
                          Well done Laura Collett.
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                          • #14
                            So, let me get this straight ...... teams are now made of 3 horses/riders. a 4th horse and rider comes along too just incase they are needed. If one horse/rider does not finish their phase then they are allowed to move on to the next phase but take a handful of penalty points. So you can FALL OFF (!!) on cross country and still move on to stadium the next day provided your horse passes the jog? And the 4th horse/rider is allowed to substitute in, say on show jump day if one of the other horses is sore/lame?

                            Oh, and all this is supposed to be less confusing than simply having the lowest score dropped? Or am I missing something.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Rnichols View Post
                              So, let me get this straight ...... teams are now made of 3 horses/riders. a 4th horse and rider comes along too just incase they are needed. If one horse/rider does not finish their phase then they are allowed to move on to the next phase but take a handful of penalty points. So you can FALL OFF (!!) on cross country and still move on to stadium the next day provided your horse passes the jog? And the 4th horse/rider is allowed to substitute in, say on show jump day if one of the other horses is sore/lame?

                              Oh, and all this is supposed to be less confusing than simply having the lowest score dropped? Or am I missing something.
                              I don't believe the FEI/Olympic Committee really cares whether it's more confusing or not. I think the main reason they've gone to this format is to allow more countries to finish a team.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Gardenhorse View Post

                                I don't believe the FEI/Olympic Committee really cares whether it's more confusing or not. I think the main reason they've gone to this format is to allow more countries to finish a team.
                                But if you have to add 200 points, it is basically not a team finish. I cannot believe they let fallers go on to the next day. Why have any rules at all? This substitution is the craziest thing I have ever heard of. I see no way for more to finish.
                                Another killer of threads

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Larksmom View Post

                                  But if you have to add 200 points, it is basically not a team finish. I cannot believe they let fallers go on to the next day. Why have any rules at all? This substitution is the craziest thing I have ever heard of. I see no way for more to finish.
                                  By reducing the number of riders competing to 3, they could add more teams in the same amount of time. But if you don't have a drop score, then you have to have some way to allow teams to finish a full team because there is too much of a chance that at least one pair won't complete or won't be sound for the final phase. So they basically replaced elimination with a penalty that is significant but not crazy. Now even if 2 riders on a team fall in XC, you still "finish" a team and get to do show jumping, even if you have no chance to medal. It's about the optics of how many countries "finish" b/c eventing was seen as a sport with limited participation.

                                  I don't like the changes at all. But I don't like most of the changes eventing has made in order to keep the sport in the Olympics. However, in some ways being able to show jump, even with a fall on XC is not that odd. In the "old" days, before we worried as much about safety/concussions, you used to be able to fall on XC and get back on to finish the course. An Australian eventer got back on (twice!) with broken bones in the Atlanta Olympics to ensure her country finished a team. That was crazy.

                                  Edited to add: Actually, I think her first fall was on the flat so you would still be able to get back on for that today. But her 2nd fall was at the water jump. And she got back on again and finished.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post

                                    Not just that....they can let their reserve who didn’t run xc substitute in. Honestly.....if is FAR FAR FAR more confusing scoring system than just having a drop score.
                                    Is it more confusing than the drop score? Yes.

                                    Is it going to open the door for teams to game the system? No.

                                    The minimum penalties for substituting in a rider who didn't run XC is 20, or 5 fences down. 5 fences down is a truly atrocious round and I just don't see a scenario where it makes sense to use a sub if the original team horse is sound enough to jump on the final day.

                                    The biggest negative impact on the competition is going to be that the teams drawn early in the starting order are going to be at a severe disadvantage without a drop score. The pathfinders are going to have to be extremely solid XC pairs and management is going to have to be very strategic regarding time and long routes.

                                    If the course rides harder than it walks, even at just one combination, information (or lack there of) can really make or break an entire team's chances.

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Larksmom View Post
                                      Tilly did a long article in EN about how the scoring works. I do not see how you can come back and show jump if you didn't finish xc And then add 200 points but you get to finish. This is going to be a disaster in Japan.
                                      I think if it's a rider fall - you can show jump or substitute can SJ, but if it's a horse fall you can't but I'm not sure if then the reserve comes in - and then it's 200 point penalty + penalties for a sub rider. I'm not sure why or what's the point of this new format, why not just keep it at dropping the lowest score - which is what many team sports do. Crazy. Who thinks of this stuff

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                                      • #20
                                        As best I can tell, the new format will likely ensure that all countries that send a team to the Olympics will have a full complement of riders in stadium jumping on the last day such that more teams finish on a number rather than a letter. It's a very, um, cosmetic change in my opinion.

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