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    Hey everyone,

    I am having the hardest time finding a bit for my mare that doesn't either pinch her lips or help her bite her inner lips for jumping. She has very fleshy lips, and much of the fleshy part is on the inside, so her mouth basically squishes really far in towards her tongue. Right now, she is consistently biting the inside of her mouth badly when I am jumping. I have her in a 2 ring Bombers happy tongue which has been a great bit otherwise, she seems happy in it, and it provides the right amount of control for her.

    She also has issues with anything loose ring, pinching her lips. She can't wear anything that isn't set. Bit guards still don't help and the acavallo bit guards make her lips go into her mouth too far. She also can't to double jointed, because her lips are so big inside, the middle piece ends up pinching and cutting her inner mouth. It is really strange. Of course she is very strong and very sensitive, a great combination lol.

    I am wondering if there is a suggestion out there I just haven't thought of. I have now finally been able to get her comfortable in dressage, in a plain somewhat fat D ring single joint snaffle, after trying hundreds of very expensive fancy bits of course

    I was thinking of trying the D ring for jumping too, but I am just not sure it will be enough. So bascially a single joint, with some breaks but not too much. Nothing loose ring, double jointed, no straight bar. Any ideas?
    Boss Mare Eventing Blog

  • #2
    Have you tried different mouth shapes, like tongue relief and bits that are curved towards the front teeth rather than a straight/nutcracker action?
    Blugal

    You never know what kind of obsessive compulsive crazy person you are until another person imitates your behaviour at a three-day. --Gry2Yng

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      #3
      Originally posted by Blugal View Post
      Have you tried different mouth shapes, like tongue relief and bits that are curved towards the front teeth rather than a straight/nutcracker action?
      I have tried the Bombers Happy Mouth tongue relief and her current Bombers is the 2 ring tongue relief. I have also tried many Mylers.

      Do you have an example of one that curves forward?

      Also her mouth is tiny, for a 16.2 TB she wears a 4.75 or a 5 depending on the style.
      Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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      • #4
        This is the curved mouth my hony ended up liking. https://www.smithworthington.com/ind...product&id=526

        My vet dentist says he has the smallest mouth she has ever worked on. He has super fat cheeks, and a big tongue so it took awhile to find the right bit.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Ponycatraz View Post
          This is the curved mouth my hony ended up liking. https://www.smithworthington.com/ind...product&id=526

          My vet dentist says he has the smallest mouth she has ever worked on. He has super fat cheeks, and a big tongue so it took awhile to find the right bit.
          ok she has a similar mouth, but she can't to the double jointed. I do have a curved egg butt, I could try that, makes sense with the cheeks how it might help. I tried it a few years ago and she hated it but she is way more trained now as am I so might be worth a shot. Just not sure if this is enough for jumping with her.
          Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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          • #6
            Would an unjointed mullen mouth pelham work? With an arm as long or as short as suits her?
            The plural of anecdote is not data

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              #7
              Originally posted by SecondInCommand View Post
              Would an unjointed mullen mouth pelham work? With an arm as long or as short as suits her?
              I used to use this, but she hates it now. I also tried a happy mouth mullen mouth 2 ring, same thing, flips her head up and down. Thank you,
              Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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              • #8
                have you tried a hackabit? Also Myler has a short shank combo bit with a thin mouth that doesn't collapse.



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                • #9
                  Not dissimilar to one of mine although he, thankfully, is good in acavello gel guards. He dressage’s in a fat single joint German hollow mouth and is jumping in a Waterford with acavello (might sound ripe for pinching but seems to have opposite effect).

                  With yours instead of acavello have you played around with latex wrapping?

                  if getting strong consider trying combination or kineton noseband rather than increasing bit strength

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by headbrickwall View Post
                    Not dissimilar to one of mine although he, thankfully, is good in acavello gel guards. He dressage’s in a fat single joint German hollow mouth and is jumping in a Waterford with acavello (might sound ripe for pinching but seems to have opposite effect).

                    With yours instead of acavello have you played around with latex wrapping?

                    if getting strong consider trying combination or kineton noseband rather than increasing bit strength
                    No, can you explain what the latex wrapping is for me?

                    She is strong but doesn't pull, but I guess I could try one of those, of course I literally just sold my Kineton in a "I'll never use this!" moment

                    fordtraktor no I have not, I was thinking it would be too much, but also I am weary to spend almost $300 to try one. I would try it if I could find one to borrow!
                    Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                    • #11
                      I’m in the UK so I don’t know if you have it over in US, but you can buy rolls of really sticky thin soft latex, that you can wrap bits in. Either just in the bar area, or completely round the join of the bit ring, and sometimes even wrap a middle link to give a more stable mouthpiece.

                      id be inclined to try a Waterford and wrap the bars/joins with the rings.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by headbrickwall View Post
                        I’m in the UK so I don’t know if you have it over in US, but you can buy rolls of really sticky thin soft latex, that you can wrap bits in. Either just in the bar area, or completely round the join of the bit ring, and sometimes even wrap a middle link to give a more stable mouthpiece.

                        id be inclined to try a Waterford and wrap the bars/joins with the rings.
                        Interesting, I have tried a waterford on her and it was a big NO, broke open the corner of her lips. She has really sensitive lip skin, it's very strange. The slightest pinch causes tears. I could try that on something like a french link though.
                        Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                        • #13
                          Is she dry mouthed at all, Jealoushe? Is there any chance it's friction - which may be helped with a bit butter type product?
                          The plural of anecdote is not data

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                          • #14
                            If she is happy in a simple snaffle how about using a kineton noseband xc for some extra stop by application of nose pressure? The Kineton will also help hold the bit still.
                            "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths

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                            • #15
                              As he aged, my old horse, who had super fleshy lips and a low palate would bite his lips and cheeks in anything but a Myler MB33. I also could ride him in a D ring knock off with hooks, so some leverage. If you want to try it, I can ship it to you, if sending to Canada is not too expensive. I have no need for it anymore. Old man is 27 and does nothing but eat and get lots of expensive meds these days.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by SecondInCommand View Post
                                Is she dry mouthed at all, Jealoushe? Is there any chance it's friction - which may be helped with a bit butter type product?
                                She is a bit, but I use vaseline around her lips which helps the lip corners sometimes but not the inside.

                                Sounds like a Kineton might be a good option, can't believe I just sold mine LOL

                                IFG what size??
                                Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                                  She is a bit, but I use vaseline around her lips which helps the lip corners sometimes but not the inside.

                                  Sounds like a Kineton might be a good option, can't believe I just sold mine LOL

                                  IFG what size??
                                  I think that it is a 5". I will measure later today. Just organized old bits yesterday.

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                                  • #18
                                    Another option, if she goes well with gag leverage, is one of the gag hangers/adapters. You can slip it through the browband, and it has rope ends that slide through your regular snaffle bit's rings with an extra set of reins. It's not exactly like a gag, but gives you some lift and poll pressure without having to change your regular bit.

                                    Here's one from Nunn Finer: https://www.bitofbritain.com/product-p/4234.htm

                                    A piece of advice regarding the Kineton, having nearly been run away with using one: some horses are responsive to the pressure shifting to their nose. Others take it as an invitation to pull even harder because their nose is easier to pull with than their mouth...
                                    Last edited by WNT; Aug. 12, 2019, 02:18 PM. Reason: Autocorrect doesn't like horsey terminology...
                                    Leap, and the net will appear

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by WNT View Post
                                      Another option, if she goes well with gag leverage, is one of the gag hangers/adapters. You can slip it through the browband, and it has rope ends that slide through your regular snaffle bit's rings with an extra set of reins. It's not exactly like a gag, but gives you some lift and poll pressure without having to change your regular bit.

                                      Here's one from Nunn Finer: https://www.bitofbritain.com/product-p/4234.htm

                                      A piece of advice regarding the Kineton, having nearly been run away with using one: some horses are responsive to the pressure shifting to their nose. Others take it as an invitation to pull even harder because their nose is easier to pull with than their mouth...
                                      This is brilliant, I am going to try this with her dressage bit. Thank you!!
                                      Boss Mare Eventing Blog

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                                      • #20
                                        Jealoushe 5.5 (though like all Myler types, it measures a bit larger.

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