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  • FEi 2020 proposed rule changes.

    Here;https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...roposed-691452
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  • #2
    The banning of bitless bridles in XC is not clear. Do they mean the specific "bitless bridles" or do they mean bridles without a bit--i.e hackmores.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
      The banning of bitless bridles in XC is not clear. Do they mean the specific "bitless bridles" or do they mean bridles without a bit--i.e hackmores.
      The language about bitless isn't changing except for banning for XC. The current language already states that hackamores are not allowed. (539.3.2..."For Cross Country, hackamores without bits are not allowed".)

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      • #4
        The bitless bridle proposal was initiated by the Australian NF as they feel that all bitless bridles limit control on XC, hence they requested they be forbidden.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by evilc123 View Post

          The language about bitless isn't changing except for banning for XC. The current language already states that hackamores are not allowed. (539.3.2..."For Cross Country, hackamores without bits are not allowed".)
          Ah. That's a new rule this year.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by evilc123 View Post

            The language about bitless isn't changing except for banning for XC. The current language already states that hackamores are not allowed. (539.3.2..."For Cross Country, hackamores without bits are not allowed".)
            Note the confusion that comes so easily from the attempt of the rule to cover a broad range of opinions attempting to influence the rules.

            Your statement "The current language already states that hackamores are not allowed." But your quote of the rule does not say that at all.

            "... hackamores without bits are not allowed." The rule is *not* forbidding hackamores, it's saying that there has to be a bit as well.

            I strongly suspect that some of those complicated rigs we see on horses's heads on XC, with leverage pieces connected to nose pieces, all strangely connected to the rest, are really attempts to be able to use just the hackamore without the bit, even though the bit is included in the rig. However it is put together, it may work kind of like a pelham or a double, with the hackamore standing in for the curb rein. Just a guess as I haven't figured out how some of them are supposed to work.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
              The banning of bitless bridles in XC is not clear. Do they mean the specific "bitless bridles" or do they mean bridles without a bit--i.e hackmores.
              That is a very good point. Many people don't use the term "bitless bridle" to include hackamores. To them, a true bitless bridle is has a different control point on the head than does the hackamore, and works very differently.

              bitless bridle
              https://www.sstack.com/dr-cooks-beta...ridle/p/38459/

              hackamore
              https://equizoneonline.com/products/hackamore-bridle#

              traditional bosal (reins are connected under the head, not on either side of the head)
              https://www.dmtack.com/products/hv30...ope-hackamore/

              Although in the U.S., no-bit is traditionally connected with western riding, there is a growing population of 'english' riders who are interested in it.

              If the FEI meant "bridles with no bit attached", that would cover all bases and create less confusion and misunderstandings on the day, when the bridle is questioned. I doubt anyone is showing up to ride XC in a bosal, but a hackamore is definitely something that might be seen.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RAyers View Post
                The bitless bridle proposal was initiated by the Australian NF as they feel that all bitless bridles limit control on XC, hence they requested they be forbidden.
                This makes me a bit worried. Aren't we supposedly doing whats best for the horse? We teammates, not a system of trying to create dominance?
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                • #9
                  I don't think it has anything to do with dominance. It's just physics and biomechanics. Regardless of how well trained your horse is, if they get spooked or something and bolt out in a field and can't bring their minds in the focus on you, you are going to have a hell of lot harder time getting them under control in a bitless than with a bit, you can at least get their attention a bit better with a bit. Safety of both horse and rider is way more important.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post

                    Note the confusion that comes so easily from the attempt of the rule to cover a broad range of opinions attempting to influence the rules.

                    Your statement "The current language already states that hackamores are not allowed." But your quote of the rule does not say that at all.

                    "... hackamores without bits are not allowed." The rule is *not* forbidding hackamores, it's saying that there has to be a bit as well.

                    I strongly suspect that some of those complicated rigs we see on horses's heads on XC, with leverage pieces connected to nose pieces, all strangely connected to the rest, are really attempts to be able to use just the hackamore without the bit, even though the bit is included in the rig. However it is put together, it may work kind of like a pelham or a double, with the hackamore standing in for the curb rein. Just a guess as I haven't figured out how some of them are supposed to work.
                    All good points. There are definitely a lot of "rigs" that include hackamores and bits--I seem them more and more in FEI jumping. I should have been more clear that I was specifically responding to the person who asked whether hackamores fall under the "bitless bridle" category, so I assumed it was clear that I meant a hackamore without a bit. I don't know how long the hackamore without a bit language has been in the rules, but I wouldn't be surprised if they were intending to indicate that a bridle with a bit must be used on XC. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense to specify that a hackamore without a bit is not allowed. None of the horses I ride right now would be safe without a bit (nor are they on track for FEI ), so I won't hurt myself thinking too hard about this one.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
                      I don't think it has anything to do with dominance. It's just physics and biomechanics. Regardless of how well trained your horse is, if they get spooked or something and bolt out in a field and can't bring their minds in the focus on you, you are going to have a hell of lot harder time getting them under control in a bitless than with a bit, you can at least get their attention a bit better with a bit. Safety of both horse and rider is way more important.
                      There are some really freaking sharp hackamores on the market though. Obviously not all bitless bridles are going to be super severe, but something like this, or this? There are a lot of, shall we say, "ingenious" bitless products on the market that IMO would inflict way more discomfort on an animal than a smooth snaffle or a pelham would.

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                        #12
                        The rule as currently written;

                        539.3 Cross Country and Jumping Tests

                        539.3.1 Permitted

                        The type of saddlery is optional. Gags or “bitless bridles” are allowed as are unrestricted running martingales or Irish martingales. Reins must be attached to the bit(s) or directly to the bridle. The stirrup iron and stirrup leathers must hang free from the bar of the saddle and outside of the flap.

                        539.3.2 Forbidden

                        Any form of blinkers, side, running or balancing reins; tongue straps and/or tying down the Horse’s tongue; any other restrictions, any bit or other item of saddlery likely to wound a Horse. Sheepskin (or other material) may not be used as addition on cheek pieces of the bridle.

                        For Cross Country, any device which does not allow an immediate and unrestricted separation of the Athlete’s boot from the stirrup in case of a fall is forbidden.

                        Neck straps, if used on Cross Country, must be attached either to the breastplate or to the saddle.

                        For Cross Country, hackamores without bits are not allowed and the lower cheek (lever arm) may not exceed 10 cm on any bit.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
                          The rule as currently written;

                          539.3 Cross Country and Jumping Tests

                          539.3.1 Permitted

                          The type of saddlery is optional. Gags or “bitless bridles” are allowed as are unrestricted running martingales or Irish martingales. Reins must be attached to the bit(s) or directly to the bridle. .........

                          539.3.2 Forbidden

                          ............

                          For Cross Country, hackamores without bits are not allowed and the lower cheek (lever arm) may not exceed 10 cm on any bit.
                          So I can ride in a bitless bridle in XC and in SJ. I assumed they mean this:
                          https://www.sstack.com/dr-cooks-beta...ridle/p/38459/
                          The reference to reins being attached directly to the bridle indicates this design, as opposed to a levered hackmore where the reins are attached to the lever.

                          I can also ride both jumping phases in a hackamore, but in XC it has to have a bit as well. I assume that by "hackamore", they mean a levered version like this:
                          https://equizoneonline.com/products/hackamore-bridle
                          and they want a bit with that.

                          It reads as if a bitless hackamore is ok in SJ.

                          Is that the intent?

                          Why are they permitting a bitless bridle in both jumping phases, but insisting that a levered hackamore have a bit? The bitless bridle is much milder in control than a hackamore with a lever.

                          Because common usage of these terms can vary from place to place, I think they need diagrams (do they have diagrams? I'm not an FEI member). As they do with the types of allowed bits.

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                          • #14
                            What about the rule about being seen by the vet delegate if eliminated? Is that totally new?
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post

                              So I can ride in a bitless bridle in XC and in SJ. I assumed they mean this:
                              https://www.sstack.com/dr-cooks-beta...ridle/p/38459/
                              The reference to reins being attached directly to the bridle indicates this design, as opposed to a levered hackmore where the reins are attached to the lever.

                              I can also ride both jumping phases in a hackamore, but in XC it has to have a bit as well. I assume that by "hackamore", they mean a levered version like this:
                              https://equizoneonline.com/products/hackamore-bridle
                              and they want a bit with that.

                              It reads as if a bitless hackamore is ok in SJ.

                              Is that the intent?

                              Why are they permitting a bitless bridle in both jumping phases, but insisting that a levered hackamore have a bit? The bitless bridle is much milder in control than a hackamore with a lever.

                              Because common usage of these terms can vary from place to place, I think they need diagrams (do they have diagrams? I'm not an FEI member). As they do with the types of allowed bits.
                              Yeah that all confused me even more

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