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  • Why not Saturday and Sunday?

    Why do events always have to run Friday, Saturday, and Sunday? This format means the average working stiff (like myself) has to take 2 days off work in order to compete. Unless they have an abnormal number of entries, there is no reason why an event can't be run on Saturday and Sunday. Do dressage and stadium Saturday and xc Sunday. There are some that do this format and run just fine. I remember competing at Caumsett on L.I. and they were one day trials, all three phases, one day. This would be so much easier.

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    Here they are all over the map. From one days with all three phases on Saturday or Sunday (even if the competition takes place over two days, with different levels going on different days), or sometimes dressage and xcty on Saturday and stadium on Sunday. And sometimes over all three days like you said. Depends on the tradition of the event and what the organizers want to host. What area are you in?

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      um I'm not sure where you are and what level you're doing but I'm in Area II and for the most part the events usually run all three phases on 1 day and usually are just Saturday and Sunday. Those riders who stable overnight might come on Friday. If the event is running FEH they might have that on Friday.

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      • #4
        I am also in Area II and I think out West they do more multy day shows. It may very well be entrant or competition level directed. I attended a show a few years ago that was originally 2 days, Prelim and Training on one day and Novice and Beginner Novice on the second. Due to lower than usual entries, they moved everything to one day. That resulted in a 5 hour wait between dressage and jumping for myself, in Novice. Beginner Novice had a 6 or 7 hour wait.

        In Area II we do stadium before cross country, so depending on the size, even if you put everything in 2 days with dressage and Stadium on one day, you still may end up with long waits.

        In Area II, they have in the past done Dressage and Stadium one day and Cross country on a second day for one level while the others ran over one day.

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        • #5
          I think almost all of Area V recognized horse trials are 2 days, Saturday and Sunday, with one of the jumping phases running on Saturday after the dressage and the other on Sunday. There are one or two venues that do 1 day recognized ht. Unrecognized horse trials are almost all one-day. Offhand I can't think of any Area V recognized that have run 3 days, other than when the AEC's were at Texas Rose.

          Actually there may be some exceptions for the higher FEI levels that will do dressage on Friday, but not many riders are in those divisions in Area V.

          I believe in Area IX there is one venue that runs true 3-days, Colorado Horse Park, otherwise all of the area recognized are 2 days or 1 day. Maybe Abbe Ranch is 3 days for Prelim?

          In both areas, people with early Saturday ride times tend to come in on Friday. But since most are within a 3 hour drive, they don't take all day Friday off work and they arrive in the evening. That depends on what suits them, of course.

          My observation is that the mid-continent eventing areas are primarily lower level and primarily 2 days. Most do not offer a level above Prelim. There just aren't nearly as many eventers, and nothing like as many at the UL's, as on the east coast. Indeed many trainers in those areas have not ridden above Prelim.

          I agree that 'true' 3-days do assume that the entrants have the flexibility to compete on a business weekday. Anywhere I've ever worked, Friday is a working day like any other, and it isn't always appreciated for someone to frequently take Friday off. For adults who want to compete seriously in true 3-days, that seems to require special consideration when choosing a career.

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          • #6
            I'm in area IV & the majority of our events run all levels on Saturday and Sunday, I go the to the Kentucky HP a lot (area VIII) & my division runs Friday/Saturday which is tough because it is an extra day off work (they run BN/N on Saturday/Sunday). I have limited vacation days and in this area of the country limited events to choose from so I plan the events that require extra days off very carefully. On the other hand - one day events don't work well in this area since we have typically have a 4-8 hour drive, so you have to arrive the day before & it's usually too late to leave if you do all three phases in one day.
            Last edited by Chouteau; Jul. 8, 2019, 08:51 AM.

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            • #7
              I produce a calendar for Areas IV, V and the eastern side of IX (Area35) and can confirm that the majority are two day, Saturday & Sunday, with the exception of the FEI-level shows that are, of course, Three Days. Contrast that with the shows around Ocala in Area III, there most are three day shows with the occasional four day thrown in for good measure. Within these, however, the classes have some interesting structures. Most will offer a One Day on Friday, often at the highest level, as well as the same level over two days (Friday, Saturday) with the majority of the lower levels over two days as usual but may be either Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday. The reason for this spread is that there may be well over 500 entries with levels from Intro up to Intermediate (typically if Advanced is offered, only BN up runs). There is one exception, Three Lakes, as they do not offer stabling of any sort, their shows are two One Days run back to back.
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              • #8
                Almost every event in Area VII (PNW) runs over 3 days. It is a giant pain for those of us who work normal Monday-Friday jobs. It is basically due to the long drives - many in my area travel 5-7 hours to get to an event, so then cramming all 3 phases into 1 or even 2 days is considered too much to make the drive worthwhile.

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                • #9
                  In Area VI we are all over the map. Depending on the level, you may run over three days (fri-sun), two days (fri-sat) or one day (Friday or Saturday). For us it’s a scheduling thing: our shows are so big (400-500 horses) that you have to run the jumping phases over three days to fit everyone in

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by ksbadger View Post
                    ..... Within these, however, the classes have some interesting structures. Most will offer a One Day on Friday, often at the highest level, as well as the same level over two days (Friday, Saturday) with the majority of the lower levels over two days as usual but may be either Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday. The reason for this spread is that there may be well over 500 entries with levels from Intro up to Intermediate (typically if Advanced is offered, only BN up runs). ....
                    In addition to managing high levels of entries, I suspect some of the scheduling specialities are to assist the pros who are bringing a large contingent of students *and* of horses that the pro will ride themselves. It helps if there isn't too much overlap between the lower level divisions and the UL XC where the pro has their own rides. And if the pros can get their own rides completed before they need to focus on their students. It's hard to be in two places at once!

                    Horse trials can be a real payday for pro trainers if they can give students the maximum amount of individual attention and charge accordingly. I've noticed that some events have the UL's wrapping up with Saturday morning SJ while the LL's are focused on Saturday-Sunday.

                    Event organizers are very keen to have high-volume pro trainers attend with all the entries they bring. It's a win-win to help the pro by means of the scheduling.

                    Depending on the training style of the region, of course ... in some places the students expect their pro to conduct their warm-ups, in others the pros apparently have students schooled to handle their own warm-ups. But the more the pro can be there, the more the students will be ready to pay.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by caevent View Post
                      In Area VI we are all over the map. Depending on the level, you may run over three days (fri-sun), two days (fri-sat) or one day (Friday or Saturday). For us it’s a scheduling thing: our shows are so big (400-500 horses) that you have to run the jumping phases over three days to fit everyone in
                      One thing that continually amazes me about eventing is how the big shows can get 200+ entries around XC in one day, given all the complexities inherent to XC. Anyone who enjoys watching logistics in action will get a kick out of seeing horse after horse after horse exiting the start box 2 minutes apart, hour after hour, early till late. All levels, all kinds of horses and riders. Through changes of volunteers and transitions from one division to the next. And watching how the warm-up is managed to keep the horses on an even flow to the start box, in spite of the scratches and the missing riders who must be barn-called and the riders who fall in warm-up and need a breather just before they were to start.

                      Volunteers run those entries through to a very high professional standard!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by OverandOnward View Post

                        In addition to managing high levels of entries, I suspect some of the scheduling specialities are to assist the pros who are bringing a large contingent of students *and* of horses that the pro will ride themselves. It helps if there isn't too much overlap between the lower level divisions and the UL XC where the pro has their own rides. And if the pros can get their own rides completed before they need to focus on their students. It's hard to be in two places at once!
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                        In Area III, not so much training the riders as getting their UL horses experience & points and then bringing on their (or their owners) LL horses - some ULRs have been known to have six or more rides in all divisions from Novice upwards. There are some who are schooling their clients but, around Ocala, it seems to be horses not riders.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by ksbadger View Post
                          The reason for this spread is that there may be well over 500 entries with levels from Intro up to Intermediate (typically if Advanced is offered, only BN up runs). There is one exception, Three Lakes, as they do not offer stabling of any sort, their shows are two One Days run back to back.
                          Do you have rules over how many starters per day? BE has a table in their rulebook which takes into account daylight hours and number of course changes, but up to 300 starters a day is quite common. Classes are virtually always only one day, although a very few have day-before dressage, which you generally opt in to. It makes for long days, but most weekends we have a box load going each day at the weekend. Normally grouping the horses by level, e.g. the novice (prelim) horses on the Saturday and the babies at 90 and 100 level on the Sunday. This means that ride times are kept reasonably close. Last weekend, for example, we had 4 on Saturday; first dressage at 12 and all done by 6, and then 2 on Sunday morning that were finished by just after 11.

                          I cant imagine how expensive it would get your way!

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                            #14
                            I'm in area VII and I think there is only one full 3 phase event that takes place over two days, everything else is 3 days. They don't get the 500 entries but limit to about 1/2 that number. I saw that one upcoming event is doing lower level xc on dressage day, which is Friday then stadium on Saturday. So BN could be done on Saturday eve and go home. However, they do charge the full rate for stabling as if staying until Sunday. Fortunately, I can camp out in my trailer gooseneck and bring an ice chest with food and drink and my little camp stove so I'm pretty self-sufficient.

                            The entry fees are generally $250+- and stabling is $120+-. I don't know how that compares with the rest of the areas but when all is said and done, it comes to about a $400 weekend.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by 16 Hands View Post
                              I'm in area VII and I think there is only one full 3 phase event that takes place over two days, everything else is 3 days. They don't get the 500 entries but limit to about 1/2 that number. I saw that one upcoming event is doing lower level xc on dressage day, which is Friday then stadium on Saturday. So BN could be done on Saturday eve and go home. However, they do charge the full rate for stabling as if staying until Sunday. Fortunately, I can camp out in my trailer gooseneck and bring an ice chest with food and drink and my little camp stove so I'm pretty self-sufficient.

                              The entry fees are generally $250+- and stabling is $120+-. I don't know how that compares with the rest of the areas but when all is said and done, it comes to about a $400 weekend.
                              I'm area VII as well and you have to be in the know to find your one day events. Lincoln Creek Pony Club Back to Back One Day Horse Trials, Chehalis Valley Pony Club Benefit Horse Trials, and I think the Oregon Horse Center is doing a weird derby/one day thing. There were also Inavale Farm One Day Horse Trials back in June, and Aspen and Spokane did a one day as well before their first show. Rainbow Meadow is doing a derby series through the summer as well.

                              That being said even the one days and derbies cost $100-$150 for the entry fee, a stabling or haul in fee and the gas to get there. Plus the cost of my trainer I'm looking at about $300 - $400 for a one day/derby.

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                                #16
                                Actually, I was talking about recognized. I'm well familiar with the Lincoln Creek derbies and the spring Aspen derbies and Rainbow Meadows. I enjoy them as a schooling opportunity and my boy is a good kid about traveling. But you are correct, the derbies are starting to get a little spendy. Unless my trainer is already going to a derby, I got it alone. Luckily, I'm on the west side so most of the derbies I compete in are fairly close to home. I would like to get out to Spokane for their spring 3 day, maybe next year. I'm entered for the Young Riders Benefit Trials coming up in August as they are running a 2 day format but I may splurge and enter Caber but there again, 2 days off my job.

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                                • #17
                                  I'm in area VI and I was actually just thinking the same thing. Although we do have events that are kinda all over the map as far as how many days they are, the ones I typically go to naturally tend to be the three day variety. I just went to a two day show in Paso Robles, but since the drive is so far (4.5 hours), you really do need to go the day before.I don't think I've EVER seen Woodside do anything but a three day format, even for the non-FEI events they host. I just started a new job so I'm super bummed to miss their August event (especially after *ahem* a mis communication on XC this past weekend).......I might actually just be "sick" those days and go anyway! But yes, I agree I think it would be nice if more events offered a one day format - although I do understand the scheduling logistics ..... if there's 500+ competitors, it's just not possible to do everything in one day.
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                                  • #18
                                    I like the "pick-a-day" idea for one-days. I knew of one where you could enter to do the Saturday one-day or the Sunday one-day. They had an entry limit on both, to make sure that either day didn't end up over-full.

                                    Maybe a "pick-a-day" for Friday, Saturday and Sunday, and maybe run the UL's as one-days on Friday & Saturday, and the LL's on Saturday and Sunday. Something like that. I don't know if that would handle 500 horses, but it might help at lower entry levels. Might need some careful entry limits to make sure the Saturday volunteers worked out.

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                                    • #19
                                      Oregon Horse Center In Eugene Oregon (west of cascade mountains south of Portland) holds indoor eventing competitions in the winter. OHC Eventing creates fun courses from trot a pole to Preliminary. Nice to keep horse interested in rain season. All under one roof. Easier for riders with jobs.

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                                      • #20
                                        The 400lb Gorilla in the room in all this is the time it takes for the average competitor to get to the venue. Here in Area III that can be close to only an hour or less for the majority of riders in Central Florida or in Aiken but in Area IV the closest HT can be over four hours away and one way trips of eight to ten hours - in other words an extra day at either end of the weekend - are routine. The interesting one is Area V - on paper it covers Oklahoma, Louisiana, Arkansas and Texas - but in reality the majority of their venues are within four hours of Dallas - Fort Worth.
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