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  • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post

    Not necessarily.Some have sponsors, some use club boats. They are not expensive. You could buy lots of them for the price of an Olympic level horse.
    To equibrit’s point, full retail on a new Laser or Laser Radial, one of the Olympic sailing boats, and which our local sailing club has dozens, is $6,450 US. My best friend owns one, it sits on a trailer in his driveway when he’s not using it. Takes a whopping 5 minutes to get from the trailer to out on the water.

    Sailing is so so much less expensive than horses.

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    • Originally posted by FitToBeTied View Post
      I ll have to admit to being not excited about the pan-am results. we took 5* horses to a 3* event against second tier competition just to qualify for a second rate competition. count me as jaded but when we are competitive at burghley and badminton i ll care.
      I would tend to agree, but since 2 Canadians and one American had some troubles, as well most of the southern riders, I would say this was a bit tougher than usual. We SHOULD have won. We DID win. It would have been a disaster if we hadn't. Boyd has been on fire this spring. Lynn and Doug have really young horses, so this is a terrific result. Maybe, maybe we might actually have an American winner at Kentucky. We have some really talented horses right now, and I am hopeful for the future. I know there is a feeling of Lucy and the football, but e can hope for just a little while.
      Another killer of threads

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      • I am sorry if the answer is obvious to others but it isn't to me: is there no chance that Canada will qualify a team? Is it a lottery if other qualified countries don't send a team? And - if not - do we get to send individuals or does the US get to send individuals?

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        • Originally posted by brindille View Post
          I am sorry if the answer is obvious to others but it isn't to me: is there no chance that Canada will qualify a team? Is it a lottery if other qualified countries don't send a team? And - if not - do we get to send individuals or does the US get to send individuals?
          There's a backdoor option if Thailand and/or China don't qualify 3 riders at 4*-L by the end of the year. Both countries have qualified a team at 3*-L but don't have enough riders qualified at 4*-L to actually fill the team.

          If MER's aren't met by the end of the year, the team slot reverts back to the country with the 3 highest ranked riders on the FEI world rankings who has not qualified a team.

          For Canada, a lot will depend on how things shake out at the Europeans. Not 100% positive but I think that if Sweden, Italy, and maybe Switzerland don't qualify at the Europeans, they would be ahead of Canada for Thailand's team slot.

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          • Thailand fielded a squad of three equestrian riders for the first time into the Olympic team eventing competition by securing an outright berth as one of two top-ranked nations not yet qualified at the International Equestrian Federation (FEI)-designated Olympic qualifier for Group F and G (Africa, Middle East, Asia and Oceania) in Saumur, France.

            China fielded a squad of three equestrian riders for the first time into the Olympic team eventing competition by securing an outright berth as one of two top-ranked nations not yet qualified at the International Equestrian Federation (FEI)-designated Olympic qualifier for Group F and G (Africa, Middle East, Asia and Oceania) in Saumur, France.

            https://horse-canada.com/horse-news/...g-team-berths/
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            • Originally posted by Equibrit View Post
              Thailand fielded a squad of three equestrian riders for the first time into the Olympic team eventing competition by securing an outright berth as one of two top-ranked nations not yet qualified at the International Equestrian Federation (FEI)-designated Olympic qualifier for Group F and G (Africa, Middle East, Asia and Oceania) in Saumur, France.

              China fielded a squad of three equestrian riders for the first time into the Olympic team eventing competition by securing an outright berth as one of two top-ranked nations not yet qualified at the International Equestrian Federation (FEI)-designated Olympic qualifier for Group F and G (Africa, Middle East, Asia and Oceania) in Saumur, France.
              Yes, this qualified the teams; however, they both still have to qualify riders at 4*-L by the end of the year to fill the teams.

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              • Interesting to go back and read the first few pages of this thread when we were still speculating about team announcements - The PanAms sure did not turn out to be a dressage competition!

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                • Originally posted by Benchmark View Post

                  There's a backdoor option if Thailand and/or China don't qualify 3 riders at 4*-L by the end of the year. Both countries have qualified a team at 3*-L but don't have enough riders qualified at 4*-L to actually fill the team.

                  If MER's aren't met by the end of the year, the team slot reverts back to the country with the 3 highest ranked riders on the FEI world rankings who has not qualified a team.

                  For Canada, a lot will depend on how things shake out at the Europeans. Not 100% positive but I think that if Sweden, Italy, and maybe Switzerland don't qualify at the Europeans, they would be ahead of Canada for Thailand's team slot.
                  Thank you! But what about individuals?

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                  • Originally posted by Benchmark View Post

                    Yes, this qualified the teams; however, they both still have to qualify riders at 4*-L by the end of the year to fill the teams.
                    I think its 1st June 2020.
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                    • Here's a link to the FEI info on Olympic qualification. As expected, not the clearest thing in the world but, for those of you looking for the official rules, here it is:

                      https://inside.fei.org/system/files/...005Aug2019.pdf

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                      • If I am interpreting correctly, there are at this point still three of fifteen total team spots up for grabs for Tokyo. Two will be allocated based on the results of the 2019 European Championships and one as a result the 2019 Eventing Nations Cup series. The Nations Cup series includes seven events with the last one being Boekelo in Oct. In addition to Sweden, Italy, and Switzerland (mentioned a few posts back as not yet qualified), the Dutch are still conspicuously absent.

                        Any rider+horse combination who participates as part of a team or as an individual must have met the following MER requirements between Jan 1 2019 and June 1 2020 (per the document Benchmark linked):
                        - 1 qualifying result at a CCI 5*-L Long 5* (2019), or 5* Major (2019) or
                        - 1 qualifying result in a CCI 4*-L AND 1 qualifying result in a CIC CCI4*-S.

                        An FEI qualifying result is achieved by completing the above Competitions within the minimum parameters of an all-round performance, with:
                        Dressage test: minimum 55%percent;
                        Cross Country test: clear (0) round or 11 penalty points on Cross Country Obstacles, not more than 75 seconds over the optimum Cross Country phase time. At "Classics (name TBC)" Events & CCI CCI-5*L, the maximum time by which the optimum time may be exceeded is 100 seconds;
                        Jumping test: not more than 16 jumping penalties.

                        There are an additional 20 individual spots that will be allocated. Two spots are allocated to each of seven geographic groups (e.g. North America and the English Caribbean are Group D, Central and South America are Group E). Then there are another six "at large" individual spots. Only riders who are from countries NOT qualified to send a team can qualify for these individual spots. Qualification for these spots is based on the pair's FEI Olympic ranking (which is determined by a whole 'nother somewhat complex set of criteria), and no more than two from any one country can be allocated the individual spots.

                        I tried to get into more detail and wrap my head around what happens when a qualified nation declines a team spot and what exactly a composite team is, but my brain exploded. It seems there are deadlines along the way when nations have to confirm participation that precede the deadline for individuals to meet MERs.

                        I am so glad the US got that qualification out of the way. Sorry, Canadians
                        Last edited by Groom&Taxi; Aug. 6, 2019, 12:18 PM.

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                        • Just listened to the Equiratings review on the Pan Ams, so basically any spot thats left will go to the team with the best FEI ranking overall, and they said Canada only has one rider in the top 200 so basically if we want to qualify a team, well we have A LOT of work to do and it's basically impossible.
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                          • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                            Just listened to the Equiratings review on the Pan Ams, so basically any spot thats left will go to the team with the best FEI ranking overall, and they said Canada only has one rider in the top 200 so basically if we want to qualify a team, well we have A LOT of work to do and it's basically impossible.
                            Jeez, that is seriously a bummer...

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                            • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                              Just listened to the Equiratings review on the Pan Ams, so basically any spot thats left will go to the team with the best FEI ranking overall, and they said Canada only has one rider in the top 200 so basically if we want to qualify a team, well we have A LOT of work to do and it's basically impossible.

                              How about if two or three go to Ky next year and finish in the top ten or so?
                              Another killer of threads

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                              • Originally posted by Larksmom View Post


                                How about if two or three go to Ky next year and finish in the top ten or so?
                                We would need 3, and they would all have to be Olympic qualified and make it up past the top 30 on FEI rankings is what Equiratings was saying. Not sure how many points they get for KY, but not looking good. I also think they have to do so before the end of this year? Maybe thats just riders to qualify for the Olympics.
                                Last edited by Jealoushe; Aug. 7, 2019, 02:14 PM.
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                                • Where have all the Canadians been this past competition year?

                                  Why has Equine Canada been such an abysmal failure recently? Are there any horse friendly politicians? Maybe y'all need to take the current situation to them.

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                                  • Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                    Where have all the Canadians been this past competition year?

                                    Why has Equine Canada been such an abysmal failure recently? Are there any horse friendly politicians? Maybe y'all need to take the current situation to them.
                                    They have been out and competing and doing well, some horses are out now like Selenas, not sure they would have sent Woody there? There are a lot of good competitive riders who are going to Florida for the winters etc. I am curious to the choices of the team they sent, as to why they didn't chose to play like US and send our most experienced solid XC horses, but to be honest I never understand anything EC does.

                                    David OConnor is coaching not sure if he is full time but he was the one helping the team and well, he doesnt have the best track record.

                                    The other issue is the riders get no funding, they literally only had their flights to Peru paid for for the horses and nothing else. So the riders are working overtime just trying to raise funds to get there and also ride succesfully. Our program is falling apart and I am seriously concerned for eventing in Canadas future at the moment,.
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                                    • Original Poster

                                      Brazil ... just won show jumping team gold, quite far ahead of the US in Silver, and Mexico less than 1 point behind USA for Bronze.
                                      Canada 4th quite far behind Mexico, but i think the announcer said 4th place qualifies a team for the Olympics in show jumping

                                      Brazil - wow, just wow, they are on fire

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                                      • Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                                        The other issue is the riders get no funding, they literally only had their flights to Peru paid for for the horses and nothing else. So the riders are working overtime just trying to raise funds to get there and also ride succesfully. Our program is falling apart and I am seriously concerned for eventing in Canada's future at the moment,.
                                        It's this "chicken egg" thing where they can't do well without more funding, but they can't get funding without doing better. Sigh. It still depresses me to no end that Steph Rhodes-Bosch hasn't had an upper level horse since 2010, Hawley only has one, and Selena doesn't have anything else going above prelim (or maybe even training?).

                                        Brazil has a much greater income inequality than Canada. It also has a very wealthy equestrian community (I had a Brazilian trainer for many years). I can't say what the economic class/wealth of the show jumpers/eventers are, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised that Brazil performed better than Canada.

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                                        • Originally posted by brindille View Post

                                          It's this "chicken egg" thing where they can't do well without more funding, but they can't get funding without doing better. Sigh. It still depresses me to no end that Steph Rhodes-Bosch hasn't had an upper level horse since 2010, Hawley only has one, and Selena doesn't have anything else going above prelim (or maybe even training?).

                                          Brazil has a much greater income inequality than Canada. It also has a very wealthy equestrian community (I had a Brazilian trainer for many years). I can't say what the economic class/wealth of the show jumpers/eventers are, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised that Brazil performed better than Canada.
                                          I thought SRB had a baby and wasnt riding UL really? There are some really good riders here, I am not sure how many "want it" that bad. I think the ones that do are out there right now doing everything they can to get there. I think a lot want it but don't want to sacrifice anything, so I think there is a small number trying to do is full send, if you know what I mean. I would love to see our riders get some more support, guidance, training etc.

                                          We are lucky that now at least we have Bromont more than once a year and Foshay.
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