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Horse crosses hind feet when he jumps--is this okay?

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  • Horse crosses hind feet when he jumps--is this okay?

    I noticed this in an upper-level horse I was photographing. Is this okay? It looks so weird in a photo. He's not my horse and don't know the rider personally. Surely the rider knows about this? Just wondering and sorry if it's a stupid question!

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    I'd imagine it's fine. Just that horse's style. Look up Cortez C ridden by Beezie. He crosses his fronts!
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      Agree, if you watch Grand Prix show jumping you see some crazy looking styles!

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        Thanks for the replies. Coincidentally, I just saw a photo of a different horse crossing its back feet--I guess it's not uncommon!

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          It's not desirable, but definitely not uncommon. Lots of horses that toe out behind tend to cross hind legs over the bigger fences. You obviously don't want the extremes, but it's typically just a result of conformation.

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            Originally posted by Benchmark View Post
            It's not desirable, but definitely not uncommon. Lots of horses that toe out behind tend to cross hind legs over the bigger fences. You obviously don't want the extremes, but it's typically just a result of conformation.
            Thanks! I haven't seen the horse standing still. I'm curious to get another look now.

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              Originally posted by endlessclimb View Post
              I'd imagine it's fine. Just that horse's style. Look up Cortez C ridden by Beezie. He crosses his fronts!
              La Biosthetique - Sam FBW also crosses his front legs. At this rate, I'm considering it a selling feature though to be fair I've never noticed a horse doing it with their hind legs.

              https://assets.eventingnation.com/ev...e-Sam-FBW1.jpg

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                It just alarmed me when I saw the photo, because it seems like it would be so easy for the feet to get tangled and for something bad to happen... but I think I'd rather that they crossed behind.

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                  Big difference between crossing fronts and hinds over a fence, bigger difference about jumping sticks vs solid obstacles... Crossing hinds in which way?

                  I agree not entirely uncommon over BIG efforts, but not ideal. Sometimes they will cross if they toe out behind, like Benchmark said (and means they are usually quite sickle-hocked), other times, they do it when they've reached their maximum scope and are just trying to clear the fence behind.
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                    Originally posted by Marigold View Post

                    La Biosthetique - Sam FBW also crosses his front legs. At this rate, I'm considering it a selling feature though to be fair I've never noticed a horse doing it with their hind legs.

                    https://assets.eventingnation.com/ev...e-Sam-FBW1.jpg
                    That’s quite the picture!
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                      Originally posted by KBC View Post

                      That’s quite the picture!
                      Yes, it's quite something! He did it often (but not always). I didn't put this one up as my original example because it's harder to see, but if you think it's crazy over a brush element, here he is doing it over the Vicarage Vee

                      https://assets.eventingnation.com/ev...0.26.32-PM.png

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                        My GP horse crosses his hinds over every jump (always left hind over right hind). It's not unusual.

                        ETA: I had no idea my horse did it until I was watching a slo-mo replay of the livecast of a GP several years in to my guy's GP career. I may have noticed it in a photo here or there, but didn't realize he did it over every single fence until that point.
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                          Originally posted by beowulf View Post
                          Big difference between crossing fronts and hinds over a fence, bigger difference about jumping sticks vs solid obstacles... Crossing hinds in which way?

                          I agree not entirely uncommon over BIG efforts, but not ideal. Sometimes they will cross if they toe out behind, like Benchmark said (and means they are usually quite sickle-hocked), other times, they do it when they've reached their maximum scope and are just trying to clear the fence behind.
                          It appeared that the horse was crossing just his back feet, with one pastern over the other. I'm not an expert, but I don't think that horse had reached his maximum scope--it wasn't that big a jump, but it was a cross-country obstacle. Actually, he did it twice in one water complex--both were narrow jumps with brush on top, I think. I need to go back and look at my photos.

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                            Originally posted by Marigold View Post

                            Yes, it's quite something! He did it often (but not always). I didn't put this one up as my original example because it's harder to see, but if you think it's crazy over a brush element, here he is doing it over the Vicarage Vee

                            https://assets.eventingnation.com/ev...0.26.32-PM.png
                            Oh WOW...
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                            "You're just a very desperate troll, and not even a good one. You're like middle-school troll at best. Like a goblin, not even a troll." et_fig

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                              Originally posted by beowulf View Post
                              I agree not entirely uncommon over BIG efforts, but not ideal. Sometimes they will cross if they toe out behind, like Benchmark said (and means they are usually quite sickle-hocked), other times, they do it when they've reached their maximum scope and are just trying to clear the fence behind.
                              My guy does toe out behind (slightly), but is not sickle hocked at all. He also does it regardless of height. Actually, I have a shot over one of the biggest oxers we ever jumped in a big GP that was probably the only evidence I ever have of him not doing it (and I think that's because he *was* jumping for his life, lol!). The last of the attached photos is a water jump that is barely an effort for him....but still crossed hinds.

                              But from a conformational standpoint, my guy does kind of tight rope walk behind, so I chalk that up to being a reason for it.

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