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  • gertie06
    started a topic Are we candidates for eventing?

    Are we candidates for eventing?

    Hey eventing friends! I'm popping over from hunter/jumper land with a question for you all. (I also posted in dressage....I'm all over the place today).

    My one-in-a-million 14 year old Holsteiner has been a very successful show jumper over his lifetime. I'm so in love with him. However, if he's going to continue doing big jumps, he's going to require quite a lot of maintenance (his hocks tend to bother him in hard work). My trainer and I agree that it may be time for him to find a new, easier job. I have no interest in showing him in smaller jumper divisions, and I don't want to lease him out.

    What about low-level eventing? I mean like beginner novice. He LOVES trail riding, his flatwork is solid (and I like dressage), and we could do the SJ with eyes closed. I think he'd love this job. My question is how strenuous the job would be. Maybe it's no "step down" at all. The point is to preserve the horse, so he lives a long and comfortable life.

    Thoughts?

  • bornfreenowexpensive
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    I will add that at least around here....BN today is much much much different than BN 10 or even 5 years ago. No longer can you take a super green horse out at that level...and be able to have a good confidence building round. On our courses...there are no logs on the ground...everything is miniature of what you see at later levels. There will be several related distances. Houses, chevrons, fences with cut outs etc. A combination to a ditch. Houses with decent spread for the level. Stadium will have a two stride and bending lines. There really isn’t often a huge difference to novice except I plan on there being a one stride on novice. It is absolutely do able for most horses and riders as the height still isn’t substantial (for most horses—but I only take a horse once they are jumping 2’9” with some 3’ fences at home easily)....but you need to be prepared for it and need to have gone xc schooling a few times.

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  • Pepweb1
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    Originally posted by Groom&Taxi View Post

    I was going to say something similar. I am not offended at all, but I am somewhere around year 5 on a journey of trying to get to a "cross rails and small logs on the ground" level event.
    Just wanted to say I have to agree with this getting to any Eventing competition would be a huge achievement for me. I have been riding since the age of 3 with the dream of doing 3 day eventing someday. I am 23 and I have yet to formally jump a horse. I spent the last 10 of those years with my own horse but not in a lesson plan just goofing around and my horse definitely did some eventing prior to me getting her since we "jumped" (rather ungracefully on my part) multiple ditches and logs in our time together and she also could care less about water and new advanced dressage movements that I did not know how to ask for. I'm back in a lesson program but not in the US and I'm probably going to have to wait till I can move back to the US and can afford a second horse before I can learn how to jump properly or get to an actual eventing competition. So honestly BN would be amazing for me as well.

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  • RainWeasley
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    Originally posted by merrygoround View Post

    You are way politer about BN than LeGoff.

    Also, at one time, long past, I committed the 'faux pas' of using the wrong B word, and was thoroughly trashed by the COTH community.

    Still unrepentant!
    What's the wrong B word? Baby Novice?

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  • merrygoround
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    Originally posted by RAyers View Post
    Here are my criteria for eventing for going BN and lower:

    Do you have a pulse or are you currently dead? (and even that may not exclude you)
    At any point have you ridden a horse?
    Do you enjoy cocktails?
    Can you walk around an arena (both on and off a horse) 3 times?
    Has the horse been ridden at least a few times?
    Does the horse respond to a kick? Pull? Turn?

    Then you are good to go.
    You are way politer about BN than LeGoff.

    Also, at one time, long past, I committed the 'faux pas' of using the wrong B word, and was thoroughly trashed by the COTH community.

    Still unrepentant!

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  • AMWookey
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    Originally posted by RAyers View Post
    Here are my criteria for eventing for going BN and lower:

    Do you have a pulse or are you currently dead? (and even that may not exclude you)
    At any point have you ridden a horse?
    Do you enjoy cocktails?
    Can you walk around an arena (both on and off a horse) 3 times?
    Has the horse been ridden at least a few times?
    Does the horse respond to a kick? Pull? Turn?

    Then you are good to go.
    I screenshoted this and sent it to my hubby, who is getting nervous about his first BN at Warhorse this weekend, while his super groom (me) is away. It was a good reminder to him that he can sit up and breathe (and also choose to drop down to maiden today if the schooling doesn't go as planned 😂)

    I think most people missed the ''and lower" part of your statement. With my old horse, going GAG would have been a massive accomplishment because he was rather terrified of being alone outside of a ring. With my new ride, BN sounds fun and she is less then a year off the track. I think it's so much about what you are on, that I took zero offence!

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  • RainWeasley
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    Originally posted by RAyers View Post
    Damn right the sun shines out my ass.

    https://m.facebook.com/reed.ayers/po...3D&mdp=1&mdf=1

    And for those who are afraid (regardless of division) this is what I tell me students: Life, fun, self confidence, self esteem live on the LANDING side of the fence so you better just go jump. It’s how I live this sport.

    And the definition of a cocktail is literally “The first course served as an appetizer at a meal.” So, drink and eat whatever you want. Cocktails are always happening after XC!
    Omg that is amazing what a perfect picture

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  • skydy
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    Thanks RAyers. It's a priceless photo that most of us remember but that new folks won't have seen.

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  • RAyers
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    Damn right the sun shines out my ass.

    https://m.facebook.com/reed.ayers/po...3D&mdp=1&mdf=1

    And for those who are afraid (regardless of division) this is what I tell me students: Life, fun, self confidence, self esteem live on the LANDING side of the fence so you better just go jump. It’s how I live this sport.

    And the definition of a cocktail is literally “The first course served as an appetizer at a meal.” So, drink and eat whatever you want. Cocktails are always happening after XC!

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  • skydy
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    Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post
    I want to ride with RAyers!
    We all know that the sun shines out of RAyers bum. Literally.

    RAyers, RW is new here, can you link to the photo for her?

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  • bip
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    Originally posted by kcmel View Post

    Yes, but most of us have a sense of humor about it.
    I can laugh at myself, but like most people, I don’t love being the butt of someone else’s joke. As a teen, I came up in an eventing culture with the attitude that Reed describes. I’ve been trying to claw my way up to BN eventing for, oh, 15 years now (or maybe the entire 30 years I’ve been riding), yet the stars have only aligned for brief periods here and there. At this point I’ve basically organized my life around the goal and it guides pretty much everything I do. I have two little kids, so they come first, but I still manage to focus a tremendous amount of time and resources on my goal. I don’t know if the starts will align this season, but it’s not looking promising.

    I guess maybe I can’t fog a mirror? Honestly, that’s the one thing I haven’t tried!

    ETA I just looked back at the list and I don’t really love cocktails. That must be where I’m going wrong.

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  • RainWeasley
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    I want to ride with RAyers!

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  • NoSuchPerson
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    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post
    I just got to see many really awesome circuits fall when the big H/J shows added cross rail classes, ground poles, and classes rated under 3’ for horses that were not green.
    The "cross rail classes, ground poles, and classes rated under 3’ for horses that were not green" are not the CAUSE of failing circuits, they are the RESULT.

    Declining participation in shows led to the addition of classes for lower (and much, much lower) level riders in an effort to get attendance back up to sustainable levels. Some "really awesome circuits" failed because they weren't able to maintain sustainable levels of participation. Some have survived because they can, in part due to the addition of those low level classes.

    RAyers, it sounds like you run a fun program. Your students are lucky.

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  • Lord Helpus
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    Originally posted by gertie06 View Post
    I live in NC. The ground isn't hard at all, but it can be rocky. The terrain is rolling hills.
    Come to the Sandhills (Carolina Horse Park). No rocks, no puddles.

    There is a "Warhorse" series that goes through the summer. Divisions start at GAG (green as grass). Cross country involves jumping 1' high jumps around in a big circle.

    And FWIW, RAyers has a good sense of humor. I am sure he did not mean his "criteria" to be taken seriously. Lighten up, people.

    There is a division for everyone. If cantering a big circle and going over 1' high jumps is too scary then perhaps competition is not for you, or perhaps trail riding and jumping little logs might be a good first step.

    We all do not have to like everything in order to love our horses.

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  • RAyers
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    Oh, my giddy aunt. Has this honestly devolved to the implications of having BN and lower divisions at any competition?! The sport is already losing numbers. The governing bodies have seen the switch so that a MAJORITY of eventers now compete at unrecognized rather than recognized (e.g. War Horse Series, Eventing X-Games). The numbers of entires are in a slow decline while the large venues are charging more.

    To the OP, open a beer, wear whatever you want on your horse (just read the rules too), and kick on. You can TROT every fence if you are unsure. Heck, back in the day we were taught to trot OI level fences if needed (and I have).

    This sport is supposed to be FUN!!!!! Where else can you go and yell, "Oh, g-d! Oh, go-d!" for minutes on end and still have clothes on? The last unrecognized HT I went BN, half the division of senior riders all went and jumped other flagged fences while on XC (including me - I added about 4 more fences to the course). Guess what? We all had a blast and the horses were fresh and happy.

    BN is where this sport says, "Hey, little kid. Wanna try something cool? Come over here and try this." Even if you never go above this level, it is still all about the FUN!!!!! If folks are concerned about ribbons, go do the h/j where you can enter multiple classes.

    This is why I require my students to have cocktails at the end of the day. Nobody is allowed to be serious. Safe? Scared? Sure. But not serious. As a matter of fact, a rider who is afraid is actually a BETTER rider than a fearless one. They are more attentive to the situations and more likely to make better decisions on course.

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  • HLMom
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    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

    I get your perspective too. I just got to see many really awesome circuits fall when the big H/J shows added cross rail classes, ground poles, and classes rated under 3’ for horses that were not green.
    What does this mean? I had the impression at our local A/B shows that the "opportunity" classes (short stirrup, long stirrup, cross-rail etc.) actually made the show more profitable by bringing more people. Without opportunity classes, many trainers in our region might only have a few clients with suitable horses, but with the more introductory classes, these trainers can bring a whole bunch of kids and novice adults who rent stalls, play class fees, buy food etc.

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  • HLMom
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    Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post

    Why? For most of my grade, untalented horses I've had that don't have much scope but have the heart and desire to jump, cantering a little 18" - 2' course to them is like going around a 3' to 3'6 course for a more talented horse. I'm glad they have divisions for the ones that have the heart of an eventer but not the talent, so we can play at it and feel like we are awesome, even if we are just going over things better horses could step over!

    I liked RAyers's post though. And he didn't just say BN, he said BN and lower.
    I love this perspective. Isn't it all about the health and happiness of the horse? For most backyard/pet/kids' horses, it's better if there are more opportunities for the horses to go new places, try a variety of activities, and (hopefully) become happy, well-rounded, mentally calm mounts.

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  • Denali6298
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    Originally posted by RainWeasley View Post

    I could actually understand where you are coming from in that case. I like how they have it here, plenty of unrecognized places to build up your confidence at the baby stuff before BN, then you can go do a recognized if you are ready for it. There are a few recognized trials with a starter course for fun (obviously not recognized), but they share a lot of fences with BN anyways so it's really not like its a big step up for the horses, think it's more for the rider's sake. I think they bring in a decent amount of money for the venue too so that they can put it into improving the bigger courses.
    I get your perspective too. I just got to see many really awesome circuits fall when the big H/J shows added cross rail classes, ground poles, and classes rated under 3’ for horses that were not green.

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  • splitrockfarmnc
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    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

    This is strictly my opinion: I don’t get it. I see it as a money grab and fear eventing will go the way of H/J shows. I feel if people have trouble jumping (BN is jumping everything else is cantering over stuff) in the open and dealing with terrain, they are not ready to compete. I also feel their time and money would be better spent schooling x-country.
    Perhaps XC schooling is a better use of funds, but who cares? If the venue offers the Intro/Tadpole/Maiden/Baby BN whatever, and people want to pay to do it, how is that a money grab? Maybe they eventually move up to BN and beyond, or maybe they don't. Point is it's being offered, people are signing up for it, they're going out there and having a good time and not overfacing themselves or their horse. I think it's brilliant and likely keeps horses and riders safer and more confident.


    ​​​​​​Edited to add: OP, usually I would consider eventing to be as strenuous as if not more so than jumpers, but if your horse was solid and sound over the big jumps then he would probably enjoy the fun change of pace of low level eventing. Maintenance may still be needed but I agree with those who said go play on a XC course and see what he offers. Enjoy!
    Last edited by splitrockfarmnc; May. 10, 2019, 01:38 PM. Reason: Forgot to reply to OP

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  • RainWeasley
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    Originally posted by Denali6298 View Post

    This is strictly my opinion: I don’t get it. I see it as a money grab and fear eventing will go the way of H/J shows. I feel if people have trouble jumping (BN is jumping everything else is cantering over stuff) in the open and dealing with terrain, they are not ready to compete. I also feel their time and money would be better spent schooling x-country.

    Your reasons for doing smaller than BN are much different than most IMO.
    I could actually understand where you are coming from in that case. I like how they have it here, plenty of unrecognized places to build up your confidence at the baby stuff before BN, then you can go do a recognized if you are ready for it. There are a few recognized trials with a starter course for fun (obviously not recognized), but they share a lot of fences with BN anyways so it's really not like its a big step up for the horses, think it's more for the rider's sake. I think they bring in a decent amount of money for the venue too so that they can put it into improving the bigger courses.

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