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  • WEG - groom accommodation

    I’ve just seen a short and rather OMG video clip of what is claimed to be groom accommodation.

    It honestly looked like a big tent with as many bunk beds rammed in as possible.

    can anyone confirm if this is the case? Unthinkable if it is

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    Coth and EN both just released the press release by CEO Belissimo about it. But yes those are some of the grooms accommodations at least for now.

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    • #3
      I posted it in the other thread but here's the press release if you're interested: http://eventingnation.com/mark-belli...groom-housing/
      I've spent most of my life riding horses. The rest I've just wasted.

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      • #4
        Wow.

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        • #5
          Tents and garden sheds.

          USA! USA!


          Seriously if I'm the FEI/ioc/etc I don't give the US anything for 20 years.

          shameful.
          Let me apologize in advance.

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            #6
            It is pretty shameful (and woefully naive) but at least it sounds, on paper anyway, that they are going to sort it out. Someone from the FEI must have signed the plans off initially.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
              Tents and garden sheds.

              USA! USA!


              Seriously if I'm the FEI/ioc/etc I don't give the US anything for 20 years.

              shameful.
              If you are an official with the FEI/IOC/etc you have already shown you have no ethics and don't give a damn about athletes.
              A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

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              • #8
                What do you folks thinks grooms quarters typically are??? I’ve know them to be shipping containers (that was an Olympics I believe), trailers....hell stalls have been converted. In other words....they are often not super nice. Yes. I was a groom. We have a house rented nearby. Our groom was offered to stay there. So far she hasn’t yet. My understanding it’s it isn’t terrible. Having access to food is bigger but again....food is also not typical great. So I don’t get the up roar. No one who was ever a groom was expecting luxury accommodations. Its not a glamorous life and that’s not why people do that job.
                ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                • #9
                  Very recent FEI groom, as I said elsewhere we don't sleep in stalls. It isn't even allowed. At pan ams and Kentucky weg they rented rvs, at 2011 panams everyone was in a hotel with ten minutes walking distance. Generally at FEI shows in Europe everyone is in the lorries. I'm happy to show pics, most are pretty nice, some absolutely are luxurious. If you put your groom in a tent or a shed you 100% wouldn't have a groom.


                  this isn't on the riders though, it's on the organizers at tryon. It's embarrassing.
                  Let me apologize in advance.

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                  • #10
                    Well you definition of luxury and mine are very different. I stayed in the converted stalls. And yes it was a while ago but they we fine. Clean with a decent bed...better than some motels. The most recent Olympics, they were basically dorm rooms but many grooms were unhappy because you were not right there near the horses. We always preferred to stay on grounds. I’ve been told by grooms ACTUALLY there Tryon the the accommodations are just fine.
                    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

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                    • #11
                      As you said, different people have different definitions of what's acceptable. Glad you liked sleeping in a stall, but nope, you can't do that at this level.

                      As I said before, this reflects poorly on the US, and poorly on the organizers who thought this was cool.
                      Let me apologize in advance.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ladyj79 View Post
                        As you said, different people have different definitions of what's acceptable. Glad you liked sleeping in a stall, but nope, you can't do that at this level.

                        As I said before, this reflects poorly on the US, and poorly on the organizers who thought this was cool.
                        These are absolutely substandard relative to the generally available grooms accomodations, and it's my understanding that many national federations have accepted the cash and have put their grooms up in hotels wherever they can, creating a logistical problem both for the NFs and for the local Tryon area. The other issue is that some got rented RVs (way nicer) some got hotel rooms (way nicer) and some got this army barracks tent shared with 40 other people. And now they're adding garden sheds for some.
                        Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                        you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                        • #13
                          Whether you're ok with it or not, its not acceptable for grooms to be put in crappy accommodations.

                          I remember my friend who was grooming at Burghley, she was in a sea can, and it had cockroaches.

                          To think this is ok, is disgusting. I don't care if you take the job knowing it. Have some respect for grooms. Why should they bust their butts all day and night, not get much sleep or much to eat AND have a crappy sleep? Luckily they're just so exhausted they don't complain because they just want bed.

                          I've groomed at enough FEI events that I would not be ok with crap housing. Maybe I'm snooty, but when you fork out all this money for everything else, your groom deserves a decent room with warm water and a nice bed.

                          Maybe it's because grooms just don't complain that they assume they should get the shitty end of the stick for housing? Yet everyone RAVES about how amazing grooms are, they're the reason our sport can exist, they're the reason horses are in top form and at their best, so they say. But hey, you don't deserve the best accommodations... you're just a groom. So are grooms the be all end all, or is it all just a facade and smoke and mirrors to make them feel better. Why not show it with appreciating them by giving them good accommodations.

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                          • #14
                            Don't shoot me for asking, but why is it the facilities responsibility to house the grooms? it would seem to me to be a riders responsibility since groom works for them. If rider wants groom on the property then wouldn't they rent groom an RV or give them a tent? Facility should allow grooms to stay on property, or maybe even have rooms to rent if the rider should choose to do so for their grooms.

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                              Originally posted by hldyrhrses View Post
                              Facility should allow grooms to stay on property, or maybe even have rooms to rent if the rider should choose to do so for their grooms.
                              Well, the problem is they were supposedly building hotels on site that were to be the grooms accommodations, but they didn't get them done. So, I'm assuming the tents were a last minute scramble to provide the promised housing for grooms on site. The part of the statement I really didn't understand was underestimating the demand - how would you not have a basic idea of how many grooms to expect??

                              I seem to recall the pictures of the Rio grooms' housing weren't stellar, but at least provided a lot more privacy than this many bunk beds in a tent! Also, you have to wonder how the tents will hold up to heavy rains if the remnants of the hurricane do move that far inland.

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by hldyrhrses View Post
                                Don't shoot me for asking, but why is it the facilities responsibility to house the grooms? it would seem to me to be a riders responsibility since groom works for them. If rider wants groom on the property then wouldn't they rent groom an RV or give them a tent? Facility should allow grooms to stay on property, or maybe even have rooms to rent if the rider should choose to do so for their grooms.
                                At a normal horse show in the US, it would be the riders’ responsibility. But at any major international championship (Olympics, WEG, Panams), it’s pretty standard for the organizers to provide onsite accommodation for the grooms, including housing & food. Especially if they had said they would, as they did here. PS the shipping container lodging mentioned upthread were the 2007 Panams in Rio. By the 2016 Rio Olympics, the grooms were much better housed (according to grooms who had been to both).

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                                  Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
                                  What do you folks thinks grooms quarters typically are??? I’ve know them to be shipping containers (that was an Olympics I believe), trailers....hell stalls have been converted. In other words....they are often not super nice. Yes. I was a groom. We have a house rented nearby. Our groom was offered to stay there. So far she hasn’t yet. My understanding it’s it isn’t terrible. Having access to food is bigger but again....food is also not typical great. So I don’t get the up roar. No one who was ever a groom was expecting luxury accommodations. Its not a glamorous life and that’s not why people do that job.
                                  Well just because thats the way it always has been doesnt mean thats how it SHOULD BE.

                                  FCS Belissimo has how much money? This is the US. They should have secured back up hotel/motel rooms for all grooms pending this was going to happen. He admitted they werent ready and knew they werent ready.

                                  This falls solely on Belissimo and FEI. Would substandard horse accomodations be OK? I think not.

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                                  • #18
                                    Anyone else catch that the “pods” aka garden sheds are being built by a company also owned by Bellisimo? So he is making money on this “failure.”

                                    I dont care how things were done in the past - this isn’t a childhood summer camp in the woods where it’s like a sleepover - it is being asked to sleep in a public room under a tent with 40 adult strangers from different countries. To not even provide the visiting delegations from other countries a private place to sleep? That makes us bad hosts, absolutely.
                                    Originally posted by PeanutButterPony
                                    you can shackle your pony to a lawn chair at the show...so long as its in a conservative color.

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                                    • #19
                                      Bunk beds by the dozen. Where does one hang ones socks to to dry out if it rains? Let alone a Hurricane???
                                      Wojjie

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by soloudinhere View Post
                                        Anyone else catch that the “pods” aka garden sheds are being built by a company also owned by Bellisimo? So he is making money on this “failure.”

                                        I dont care how things were done in the past - this isn’t a childhood summer camp in the woods where it’s like a sleepover - it is being asked to sleep in a public room under a tent with 40 adult strangers from different countries. To not even provide the visiting delegations from other countries a private place to sleep? That makes us bad hosts, absolutely.
                                        do you feel like we are right back to trying to explain how to not be awful people to people who are just bad at being decent human beings?
                                        Let me apologize in advance.

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