Stallion Spotlight

BushyGeneology copy

Real Estate Spotlight

Img_1749
  • Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 5/9/18)
See more
See less

Can you guys help me out with an eventing 3-point from a ignorant H/J rider?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Can you guys help me out with an eventing 3-point from a ignorant H/J rider?

    I am testing out barns in a new city and taking lessons from an trainer who primarily is an eventer. I have spent 16 years in H/J land. I have always understood and been taught the 3-point as a heavier "full seat", similar to how it is explained in this article.

    In my lesson, the trainer referred to 3-point as more of the "modified three-point", and rejected my notion of a deeper seat in favor of one that tilted the body forward with raised chest. Almost like a two-point with your front crotch bones still resting in the saddle though.

    I find this position kind of difficult and unnatural (mostly because I am more used to fullseat/half seat/two-point and this is sort-of between positions for me).

    Anyone have any good articles or ways to explain this to me that makes it feel less stiff? It would be much appreciated!
    Last edited by Another-Bay; Sep. 5, 2018, 01:09 AM. Reason: The link is not working on my hyperlinked text, but it's attached to the post nonetheless.
    Life and times of a mediocre amateur...
    www.another-bay.com

  • #2
    Not perfectly on point but helpful articles:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/practic...position-26948

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/practic...-wofford-25818

    ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

    Comment


    • #3
      I was taught that it's like the down beat of a posting trot, also called a sinking seat, thinking about it this way really helped me. A simple way to feel it is to repeatedly trot a small vertical; approaching at a posting trot then for the last four or five steps just sink into the down beat position and go over the jump that way. Its actually very comfortable!

      Comment

      • Original Poster

        #4
        Super helpful! Thanks guys. I think it's one of those things I need to continually practice and it will feel less awkward and stiff.
        Life and times of a mediocre amateur...
        www.another-bay.com

        Comment


        • #5
          In the first of articles that I posted, picture 2 is a 3 point jumping position. A heavier full seat would be more like the dressage position in picture 1.

          3 points mean you have 3 points "connected" with the horse. Your seat and your two feet in the stirrup. In a two point....only connection is with your feet in the stirrups.

          But for jumping, you do not want to have your shoulders as far back and hips as open as you do for dressage because you then have to make too much of a move with your upper body to stay with the horse jumping. How deep you sit in your seat depends on the horse but since your seat is NOT what tells a horse to go forward (that is your leg aid), I never feel the need to sit really "deep" when jumping. But if you are coming from a more forward position....what one person considers "deep" another would not. It is sort of relative.



          So in short...when jumping, I think of a 3 point as my seat in the saddle, but my hip angles a bit more closed and my shoulders still over my knees....by that position, my seat will NOT be as heavy or deep as it would be if I was sitting for dressage and had my hips open with my shoulders over my hips. Focus on your hip angle more than your seat...you can even do this sitting in a chair off the horse.
          ** Tact is the ability to tell someone to go to hell in such a way that they look forward to the trip. ~Winston Churchill? **

          Comment


          • #6
            Compare photos of event riders and H/J riders - which seat would be able to stay in place over a drop, a peck, an over-jump, and which rider would be pitched over the horse's head. The leg in an eventer is firmly fixed, upper body balanced...it is form to function.
            Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

            Comment


            • #7
              Back in the day, I was fortunate enough to be able to clinic with Jimmy Wofford quite a bit. I always really enjoyed his explanations of the different "seats" we use as riders. He described the three point (dressage seat), the light three point (imagine the way you lightly settle into the saddle before a jump), and the two point (the galloping and jumping position).

              For each postition you want to think about which points on your body must you maintain contact with in order to stay on the horse. For the three point seat it's your two seat bones and your pelvic bone because you can maintain the position even if you take your knees off the horse or drop your stirrups. The light three point is the same except you lighten your seat bones a bit. In the two point our knees are what maintain the position because again you can keep a two point position even if you drop your stirrups.

              It sounds as though your trainer is wanting more of the light three point seat. I agree with keeping the chest up, but I don't quite understand the leaning forward. It seems as though that would lock up your lower back quite a bit. Perhaps you could ask the trainer for some clarification at your next lesson.

              Comment

              Working...
              X