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Buck blows it again............

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  • Buck blows it again............

    I don't know Buck personally. I understand he's a really nice guy. But seriously. How many teams are they going to put him on and let him blow it? Seriously, what is his completion rate without a serious fault or elimination? Maybe 25%? Or is it less than that? I get it. He has big backers that donate a lot of money to USEA and USEF, but really....this is just getting ridiculous.

  • #2
    I don't think it's ever appropriate to jump all over riders who withdraw a horse that is not 100 percent ready.


    • Original Poster

      If he wasn't 100% ready then why did they name him to a team???????


      • #4
        Because the horse was already in Europe. Millstreet is not really a marquee event. It's similar to Great Meadow. The next big team event ex WEG is Boekelo in October.

        It's a good horse and Buck put in a solid performance at Aachen where quite a few big names had trouble. Is he going to win an individual gold on this horse? Probably not. But he's a knowledgeable and experienced horseman who's generally a safe choice to get home on Saturday.


        • #5
          Agreed with highflyer. Horse welfare must come first, always, no exceptions. Doesn’t matter if you are part of a team or not. Good for Buck for making the horseman’s choice, not the competitor’s choice.

          Also, FWIW, there were only three US riders at Millstreet to begin with. Hardly like he edged anyone out for a spot on the Nations Cup team...


          • Original Poster

            So I ask once again. Why name a horse to a team, even if it's already there, if it's not capable of completing the event? Pointless. It only goes to further his terrible record representing the US on teams............


            • #7
              Because it allows the US to start a team and the other riders to both a) experience team competition and b) say that they were part of the nations cup team.

              Because it allows the event to say it had teams from x countries

              Because any opportunity to dressage at a big popular crowded completions is huge for us riders.


              • #8
                Do we know why he withdrew yet?

                Doubt Buck went into the event planning on withdrawing after dressage.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Polydor View Post
                  Do we know why he withdrew yet?

                  Doubt Buck went into the event planning on withdrawing after dressage.

                  I didn't mean to imply he did! I'm sure it was one of the usual 1000 things that go wrong anytime you enter a horse in an event.


                  • #10
                    Wow. Grudge against someone? Buck didn’t blow anything. They coupled together a “team” of horses that were there. I’m sure Buck would have loved to complete given his stellar Dressage score. But like most things in horses...things don’t go according to plan and he (together with the team) made a decision in the best interest of the horse. This wasn’t an important team event or they would have had a reserve horse who could have been substituted under the new rules. And even with no substitute, the US team did not finish last....and that was in large part to Buck have laid down such a competitive Dressage test.

                    If anything was “blown”, it was by the USEF for not having sent a reserve horse/rider that could have been substituted.
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                    • Original Poster

                      BORNFREE...........if you were paying attention you would know there was no reserve because it was the first team to compete under the new rules for the 2020 games where there are only 3 team members, no that much more important to name reliable team members, of which Buck has proven over the years he is not.... like I said when I posted the thread, I don't know him, this is not a personal grudge, I am just tired of seeing him named to team after to team only to see him let his team mates and the country down.


                      • #12
                        Originally posted by equinedriver View Post
                        BORNFREE...........if you were paying attention you would know there was no reserve because it was the first team to compete under the new rules for the 2020 games where there are only 3 team members, no that much more important to name reliable team members, ...
                        Really ?


                        Team: The Teams will be composed of 3 or 4 Athletes from the same nation. The 3 best results of each Team will be taken into account for the Team classification.


                        You really should be berating USEF for not sending 4.
                        Last edited by Equibrit; Aug. 26, 2018, 12:23 PM.
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                        • #13
                          All of the other teams have a reserve listed.


                          • Original Poster

                            From the event With France and the U.S. tied for the Nations Cup lead on 85.7 and Great Britain sitting third on 86.5, tomorrow’s cross country is sure to be a nail-biter. Millstreet is testing the three-rider team format that will be used at the 2020 Olympic Games in Tokyo, and Liz said the goal for the U.S. is three clear rounds inside the time across Mike Etherington-Smith’s course.


                            • #15
                              Originally posted by equinedriver View Post
                              I don't know Buck personally. I understand he's a really nice guy. But seriously. How many teams are they going to put him on and let him blow it? Seriously, what is his completion rate without a serious fault or elimination? Maybe 25%? Or is it less than that? I get it. He has big backers that donate a lot of money to USEA and USEF, but really....this is just getting ridiculous.
                              Is this for real? Looking out for the welfare of the horse is not blowing it. Last I checked Buck rode actual horses, not the kind you stick a quarter in outside your local wally-world.
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                              • #16
                                If Buck had continued to the next phase of competition and made a mistake that resulted in elimination, it would be different. But withdrawing your horse for any of the many, many legitimate reasons to do so that are all in the horse's best interest is not blowing it.

                                AS BFNE alluded, under the new format, I think each team competes three members but can substitute in a reserve even after the competition has started - which looks like what the Ireland 2 team did in the results link Equibrit posted. .


                                • Original Poster

                                  My whole point is that they should stop naming Buck to teams. He can't be counted on to complete the event either at all or without a major fault. If they are going to spend team money for him to go, send him as an individual. So the horse was already in Europe. So are other American horses. Tina lives over there. They still spent money for entries, housing, grooms etc.......for him to do a dressage test. It's gotten to the point I just assume when he is named to a team that he will be the drop score....and or the team will not finish with a counting score because another team member will also not finish and we won't have 3 scores that count. Just sick of it after all these years. Have stopped donating. No reason to waste my money.


                                  • #18
                                    It's very easy (cheap) to make a judgement like that if you are not in possession of all the facts.

                                    There seems to be a 20 point penalty for making a substitution.
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                                    • #19
                                      I'm pretty sure they "selected" the team once they saw there were three US riders entered. If there had been another US rider available and entered, there would have been three riders selected and the fourth would have been reserve. Kind of like how the UK sometimes fields a team for Great Meadows if there are enough eligible riders going, but doesn't send people over specifically to compete there.


                                      • #20
                                        I think you should check your facts before slandering a rider. Since WEG 2014, Buck has only been named to 5 teams, Millstreet included, and this is the first he didn't complete. In fact, he has had pretty good placings otherwise, not to mention completing (with pretty good results) at 4* and major 3*'s recently. From what I know of Buck, there would have had to be a damn good reason for him to withdraw from a team competition. He's not being named to the Tryon team, so what's the problem?