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  • #41
    Darryl Kenny's Rosie's Girl was totally scared of jumping at the start and now go Intermediate and Advanced. Slow and steady wins the race.

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    • #42
      Originally posted by Dr. Doolittle View Post
      WRT the above, ^ ^ ^ - there have been studies done on this, and apparently horses tend to spook at things more often on their left side, and turn to look at spooky objects with their left eye. Hard to know why, but that could certainly be factoring in.
      I found this last night and it refers to the spooking out the left side eye. Its very interesting as one of mine I also questioned his sight due to some very odd responses at the time. This idea suggests that the horse is under stress (or in my horses case it was stress induced by pain)
      http://www.lofosoequinebehaviour.com...ic-stress.html

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      • #43
        Re: horses viewing “spooky” things with their left eye ... this is interesting. My horse, who is now 14 and I’ve had since he was 2, has always been somewhat “one-sided” and prefers to bend to the right versus the left. He’s also got a definite spooky/“looky” streak to him (although he’s quite a brave jumper) ... so maybe his reluctance to bend to the left, which does seem to be worse when he’s tense or spooky, is due to wanting to process things with his left eye?

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        • #44
          My horse is left eye spooky. I can hardly attribute it to stress though. He couldn't be more mellow if he tried.
          "Do what you can't do"

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          • #45
            Originally posted by tbchick84 View Post
            My horse is left eye spooky. I can hardly attribute it to stress though. He couldn't be more mellow if he tried.
            the left eye refers to the side of the brain its processed on, which is the right. The link above explains why would can get 2 reactions riding past the same object in opposite directions.
            If the horse is non-reactive then its non-reactive. Its just an interesting read as there are a lot of eye sight issues attributed to the left eyes spookiness, but as explained its to do with the brain processing what the eye see's

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            • #46
              Originally posted by bornfreenowexpensive View Post
              Sounds like a plan.


              I had s vet recently tell me that they found those little cloud like things in the eye can interfere with vision if they are too big...and I think they can get a cyst there. Look at his eye in sunlight and you will see what I mean...I think it is called the corpora nigra. Guess they do a procedure at New Bolton that lasers it out. Not invasive and done standing. Not an expensive procedure either and she saw a significant improvement in the horses (they had been spooky and stopping jumping). Thought it was interesting as I had never heard of it before.
              Just popping in to say my horse just had a corpora nigra cyst lasered last week... Here's a before and after. I suspect that as it's grown over time (we first noticed it in 2015, but it was quite small) it has contributed to some of the issues I've had with him... namely increasing spookiness and anxiety, rearing and hard stopping when approaching jumps at a show mainly off the right rein, etc. He was always fine in the warm up and at home, so we thought it may have been ring sourness... but in those instances he would be able to look at the jumps with his good eye beforehand which he can't always do in the show ring. So we're thinking it may have actually been the fact that he couldn't see the jumps!

              Since having the surgery he has a newfound fascination with the ground... playing with rocks, wiggling his nose in the arena sand, eating grass in places he'd never usually eat... so I'm a bit concerned I have been jumping a horse who couldn't see the ground properly this whole time

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                #47
                Popping back in. Was on vacation for the last 10 days and was unwired. As one poster commented, I'm paraphrasing, "if a horse has that many starts, he shouldn't be that looky." My thoughts exactly. He's been at the track, paraded before the race with loudspeakers, crowds, noise, activity going on around him, he should be inured to it.

                His jumping started with just poles on the ground for a long time, very simple, very low cross rails that he just trotted over, cavaletti work on the lunge, easy peasy stuff to boost confidence. Didn't even set up something for him to actually jump for the first month of training and that was a slightly higher cross rail.

                I think I'll dial it back a bit and restart him with small fun stuff and go on trail rides to keep him interested. Also will have the vet check for eye issues.

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                • #48
                  Originally posted by 16 Hands View Post
                  To answer your questions Jealoushe, I've had him since Jan/Feb of this year, he had 2-1/2 years of downtime before I got him, he's been in full work since day one.

                  Interesting about the eye thing, I'm sure my vet hospital has the capability to laser if that's what's needed.

                  I really love this horse, he's a big, affectionate lug.
                  Oh heck, girl, give it some time!! I have a horse that was off for 2 years after going training and we spent an entire year at BN and not a pretty year either. Don't look at how others are progressing in your peer group either. It's hard seeing those who were BN in April and playing with some training jumps in Oct. My TB was the same way over logs and ground poles. Sometimes the most scary thing is a white pole on the ground. Hang in there.
                  "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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