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Nathe vs Herm Sprenger rubber bit

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  • Nathe vs Herm Sprenger rubber bit

    I was wondering if anyone has noticed a distinguishable difference between the Herm Sprenger duo and the Nathe rubber bit? I’m picking between which to get for my horse, and I’ve heard the Herm Sprenger is a dupe for the Nathe, which I have on loan from a friend. There's only a $10 price difference, so that's not my concern, but my local tack store carries the HS but not the Nathe which is the only reason why I'm asking. Are there any notable differences between the two? From from I can see, the Nathe seems a little thicker and the shapes are very slightly different, but other than that, they're very similar. If anyone has experience or opinions in one versus the other, please let me know! TIA


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    The shape is a bit different and I feel like my HS has a slightly different bend-y feeling than my nathe. I bought both planning to choose between them, but reality is that one ended up on my flat bridle and one ended up on my jump bridle so I didn't have to go find a duplicate of one over the other. The HS is closer in shape to this: https://www.hookseurope.com/horse/ho.../bits/bit-nova --- but the Nova doesn't have any sort of wire through the mouthpiece, so if it were to break, you're pretty much SOL. Anyway - my horse goes in the HS or the Nathe with no noticeable difference. They ride essentially the same in my experience.


    • #3
      Nathe is definitely thicker. I prefer the Duo for my TB with a small mouth. I don't think the horses would split hairs about the feeling or flexibility, but I do agree they are slightly different.


      • #4
        I have used both, and I notice no difference in the way my horse goes, for the price difference between the 2 bits.
        I do like to look of the Nathe better, though. Something about the rounded ends rather than the squared ends of the Duo. I am riding in the Duo at the moment


        • Original Poster

          Okay, thanks everyone! Adding one more bit to the mix, what are everyone's opinions on Happy Mouths? I like that they carry more different styles (eggbutt, D ring, etc.) and are more affordable. Has anyone had luck with them? I know that theirs are shaped a little different with the molded mouthpiece. If anyone has used a combination of these bits on the same horse, I would really appreciate input! TIA

          Last edited by abbylee; Aug. 13, 2018, 04:04 PM. Reason: https://www.smartpakequine.com/pt/happy-mouth-shaped-mullen-eggbutt-4985


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            Originally posted by abbylee View Post
            Adding one more bit to the mix, what are everyone's opinions on Happy Mouths?
            I tried a Happy Mouth once and the mouthpiece was too damaged to use after just a few rides. This horse wasn't a bit chewer and the damage wasn't near his teeth, so I don't even know what happened but there was a small divot with sharp edges. I know others like them but that was my one and only experience, FWIW.

            I recently bought a Duo on eBay for somewhat less than new price. If you can be patient, you could set an alert on there and wait for a good deal! I haven't had it that long but the material feels more durable to me than what the Happy Mouths are made of.
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              My horse did NOT like the Happy Mouth.
              Too hard, too thick.


              • Original Poster

                Okay, one more question... Are the bathe/herm sprenger style ones legal in dressage for USEA eventing? In the Appendix, they specify that Happy Mouths are allowed, with a photo of their mullen mouth loose ring snaffle (below). Since the mouth piece is a slightly different shape in the HS/N version, does that mean only the happy mouth brand ones are allowed, or that rubber loose ring snaffles are fine? Also, does anyone know if the D ring version of the herm sprenger (below) is legal? TIA, sorry for all the questions!
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                  One of my mares really likes her happy mouth. She’s um expressive about what’s in her mouth. Lol
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                    Originally posted by abbylee View Post
                    Okay, one more question... Are the bathe/herm sprenger style ones legal in dressage for USEA eventing? In the Appendix, they specify that Happy Mouths are allowed, with a photo of their mullen mouth loose ring snaffle (below). Since the mouth piece is a slightly different shape in the HS/N version, does that mean only the happy mouth brand ones are allowed, or that rubber loose ring snaffles are fine? Also, does anyone know if the D ring version of the herm sprenger (below) is legal? TIA, sorry for all the questions!
                    Hmm. Look at number 17 ("flexible straight bar") here: https://www.usef.org/forms-pubs/cd7f...enting-annex-1. I'd think that would cover the Duo and Nathe, although they are slightly tapered. I'd guess that they only singled out the Happy Mouth because its mouthpiece is significantly curvier.

                    D-rings should be no problem.

                    But if you are concerned, shoot USEF (not USEA) an email with a pic of your bit, print out their response, and take it to shows with you. I've done this before and they are very responsive.
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                    • #11
                      Yes, the Duo/Nathe shown in your photo is allowed (I've been using one for 4 years- in both eventing and straight dressage as both loose and D-ring), including as the D-ring. I was of the understanding that the HM wasn't allowed due to the ridges on the mouthpiece, but if it's specifically stated in the rulebook it's allowed then I stand corrected. Plus, any combination of mouthpieces and ring styles shown in the appendix is allowed, so you could have a rubber mullen, a HM or the N/D loose ring, D-ring, full cheek, egg-butt or 1/2 cheek (and perhaps even the baucher, but don't quote me on this one) unless specifically stated not allowed.
                      Hope that helps.