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  • FEI Rule Changes

    Just saw the new FEI rule changes on Eventing Nation-curious as to why unattached neck straps and hackamores are being outlawed, any have the explanation for this? And more importantly for me (as I am nowhere near competing FEI) will these rules trickle down to USEA rules?

    article here: http://eventingnation.com/more-propo...-need-to-know/


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    I can't deal with these changes.

    Why no neck straps??

    Why no hackamores?

    Why 2 seconds over for 1 penalty in SJ? Why dumb down the SJ?

    5* events have criteria they need to keep to stay FEI 5*.....

    Eventing should leave the FEI.

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    • #3
      there is another thread on this..
      Another killer of threads

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Larksmom View Post
        there is another thread on this..
        That thread is about the new blood and whip rules, this is about the proposed rule changes for 2019.

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        • #5
          As I read it, neck straps are allowed, if attached to something. I guess that I will be using an old spur strap to attach my neck strap to my saddle?

          Hackamores, with bits, are allowed.

          Also, I thought that the 2 seconds = 1 penalty was for cross country?
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
            Why 2 seconds over for 1 penalty in SJ? Why dumb down the SJ?
            This is the only one I don't mind. With the removal of the coefficient, I agree that going a little too slow in SJ shouldn't carry the weight it does. I think (hope) it's just them trying to rebalance the phases and make sure the focus stays on xc.

            The rest....I have no idea what they are thinking. It's like they couldn't think of enough changes based on events of the year so they just made a couple up?

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            • #7
              Outlawing hackamores would just be ridiculous.

              Interesting to note that they've also added that the "lower cheek (lever arm)" of ANY bit on XC cannot be more than 10cm long.

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              • #8
                Why just hackamores on XC? There are quite a few bits that should be outlawed that have been deemed illegal in dressage. In XC, anything (except hackamores and long shanked bits are allowed. I personally would vote for outlawing double twisted wire bits everywhere.
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                • #9
                  Seems some of the UL riders are not understanding these proposed changes either based on the comments I’m seeing on FB

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                  • #10
                    Um, why do people not seem to understand that likely ML’s Rolex bit would be illegal because of its shanks?

                    many, many people think double twisted wires are less punishing than many leverage bits. I don’t ride in DTW bits but a double smooth mouth is very kind yet strong. A large shank is quite strong.

                    in AQHA there are diameter and port limits which makes more sense to me.

                    Hacks lack a lot of directional effect, you would have to be pretty sure your horse was straight as an arrow to run ULs with just one. It could be a safety issue given things like Jonty’s accident. A small swerve can end up in tragedy for a horse that isn’t straight and honest.

                    **a double twisted wire snaffle does not change shape over fences. Many leverage bits the curb or leverage tightens excessively because of the shape of a normal horse over fences. You need very light hands to use a leverage bit on the average horse and super hands to use one on a very round jumper.

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                    • #11
                      Do these rule changes (neck strap mostly) apply to those of us smurfs at the lower levels - or only those at the FEI levels?

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                      • #12
                        Shitty riding can also lead to a horse not being straight and falling but I don’t see that being penalized lol

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Marigold View Post

                          This is the only one I don't mind. With the removal of the coefficient, I agree that going a little too slow in SJ shouldn't carry the weight it does. I think (hope) it's just them trying to rebalance the phases and make sure the focus stays on xc.

                          The rest....I have no idea what they are thinking. It's like they couldn't think of enough changes based on events of the year so they just made a couple up?
                          I guess it’s personal preference. I always thought showjumping should be weighed more than dressage.

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                          • #14
                            There is also a new limit on the upper arm of a bit, but I don't remember if that is just for dressage. Just checked and it's dressage only. "The Upper Cheek" can't be longer than the "lower cheek", but they don't define what the cheek of a bit is and refer to the shank as "the arm" in the rest of the rule--which is also limited to 10 cm. Bad drafting in English.

                            10 centimeters is, per a conversion tool, 3.937 inches. That is going to make a big difference across the board. No more 9" shanks.

                            I'm delighted with the limit on the lower shank in XC, but still think that double twisted wire snaffles are evil.
                            Last edited by vineyridge; Jul. 13, 2018, 08:49 PM.
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                            • #15
                              The new rating level seems ridiculous. No more CIC, and basically everything is a CCI with one extra star? So what used to be a CIC 1* is now a CCI 2*-S, and the current 4* just became 5* (but the Olympics are still a 3*?). Scratching my head.

                              Who is going to tell WFP he can’t have his neck strap anymore?

                              As far as the bitting and blood issues? Disgraceful.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
                                I guess it’s personal preference. I always thought showjumping should be weighed more than dressage.
                                I totally agree with you - for me (and I think you as well) it should go xc most important, then SJ, then dressage.

                                However, I think with the removal of the coefficient rails in SJ currently carry a noticeable bit more weight than dressage. Since what I care about more in eventing is carefulness after a tough xc, not the ability to ride like a jump off, I don’t mind experimenting with lightening the impact of time faults in that phase, as rails should keep it appropriately influential.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by vineyridge View Post
                                  Why just hackamores on XC? There are quite a few bits that should be outlawed that have been deemed illegal in dressage. In XC, anything (except hackamores and long shanked bits are allowed. I personally would vote for outlawing double twisted wire bits everywhere.
                                  A lot of people I really respect don't think a double-twisted wire is all that harsh; if I remember right one of Bill Steinkraus's books has a somewhat lengthy treatise on why they're a good bet. (Certainly once upon a time they were super-popular in the H/J world.) They're not my cup of tea, but with the background of current USEF/FEI leadership I'd be shocked if they were banned anytime soon.

                                  I'm really wondering WTF about the hackamore ban. One of my very favorite horses for XC goes splendidly in a bitless (and well-padded and short-shank) hackamore. If USEF picks this rule up as well I will have a sad.

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                                  • #18
                                    Can't imagine why a hackamore would be banned in XC (but not SJ?)? If someone is going to fast or dangerous in some other manner, that should be dealt with directly regardless of the cause, rather than penalizing those of us who ride perfectly safely and with a happy horse without a bit. I wonder if I could put some kind of combination bit plus hackamore but just have reins on the hackamore part?!

                                    Hoping this doesn't pass and, if it does, that USEF doesn't adopt it (as I won't be showing FEI anytime soon).

                                    Also don't really understand the neck strap rule change proposal, but I guess you can get around it with some kind of "fixing" attachment.

                                    Surely they had bigger/more serious issues to address the hackamores and neck straps!?

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by ACMEeventing View Post
                                      The new rating level seems ridiculous. No more CIC, and basically everything is a CCI with one extra star? So what used to be a CIC 1* is now a CCI 2*-S, and the current 4* just became 5* (but the Olympics are still a 3*?). Scratching my head.
                                      The CIC format will still exist, it just has different labeling for clarity/consistency. I personally welcome the addition of the new 1* and think it will be a good buffer level that really benefits amateurs who need that half-step before taking on what will now be a 2* (old money 1*). I've seen multiple horse/rider combinations who, at home and a national level, look ready to take on their first FEI class, but get hit with nerves at competitions and start teetering on the verge stable and overwhelmed. Hopefully the new level will help smooth out the experience curve.

                                      Regarding the showjumping, from what I've gleaned, it sounds like the jumping courses are about to get a lot more technical and become more reflective of the questions you see in pure jumping. If anyone watched the SJ at Barbury, that was a seriously technical course that really dictated a lot of the top 10 placings. If this is the way the courses are heading, I'm fine with the new penalty format for time.

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                                      • #20
                                        IIRC, the sj at Great Meadow was wicked hard.
                                        Another killer of threads

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