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Proposed new blood and whip rules released by FEI

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  • Proposed new blood and whip rules released by FEI

    https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...ls-2019-659037

    Looks like ML is still going to be okay under the new blood proposals. Blood in the mouth on XC will be treated the way it is now. Only if blood is "athlete induced" will it call for penalties. H & H doesn't mention whether equipment induced blood is the same as athlete induced blood.
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    Thanks for the heads up, Viney. Here's a link to the document: https://inside.fei.org/system/files/...010%20July.pdf Haven't read it all yet.

    FEI is accepting comments from member federations through August.

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    • #3
      On the cross-country, the ground jury will consult with the vet over minor cases of blood in the mouth or minor bleeding, on a case-by-case basis.

      For the showjumping phase, horses with blood on the flanks or bleeding in the mouth will be eliminated. Officials can authorise rinsing or wiping of the mouth in minor cases of blood in the mouth, for example where a horse appears to have bitten his tongue or lip, but any further evidence of blood will result in elimination.

      Read more at https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...GGMkkAtEtLY.99
      So SJ is zero tolerance and XC is basically the same.

      “Recorded verbal warnings” would be changed to simply “recorded warnings”, if the proposals are accepted, and automatic suspensions of riders given more than one yellow card in a year have been increased from two to four months.

      “All cases of minor blood on horse caused by the athlete either in the mouth or on flanks from spurs shall be sanctioned by a recorded warning as a minimum or by stronger sanction(s),” states the proposal.

      “All cases of excessive use of whip, as defined above, shall automatically be sanctioned with a yellow warning card or by stronger sanction(s).

      “A yellow warning card will be systematically awarded if the athlete continues after three refusals [on the cross-country].

      “Should the same athlete receive more than one recorded warning for a case of athlete induced blood on a horse within three years, he will automatically be issued a yellow warning card. “Two recorded warnings for the same offence will result in a yellow warning card.”

      Read more at https://www.horseandhound.co.uk/news...GGMkkAtEtLY.99
      Ok so blood in the mouth caused by a rider gets you a recorded warning. Two of those in three years gets you a yellow card WARNING. Geesh, they really really don't want to penalize the bloody mouth thing.

      And of course lets not forget that none of this matters if the GJ doesnt hold anyone accountable.
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      • #4
        "Athlete-induced"... boy that's a loophole big enough to fly an airplane through. So "bitten lip" (as decided by vet and GJ)? You're fine.
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        • #5
          WOW. So SJ is zero tolerance, but xc is not. Joke.

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          • #6
            What does ML have over the FEI? They really don’t want to punish her. These rules have been clarified to make sure they never have to punish her no matter how much blood she causes with her rough hands and medieval bitting contraptions and no matter how much she taunts us all with her in your face horse names and her red towels and her over the fence FEI rules violations and her Dr Feelgood and her over the top “poor me” smirking PR that she can do whatever damage she wants and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.

            I love this sport but sometimesI think it deserves all the bad publicity it gets.
            Last edited by NCRider; Jul. 13, 2018, 01:18 PM.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
              Two of those in three years gets you a yellow card WARNING.
              I read “gets a yellow warning card” as “gets a yellow card” (since technically yellow IS a warning, as in warning that you are on your way to red). Am I interpreting that wrong?

              Now, the “athlete induced” part, I don’t know what to say. Ugh.

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              • #8
                Why did they even bother? Oh, wait... lip service . No pun intended. This is ridiculous.
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                • #9
                  ETA- I don’t think XC should be zero blood in general because of brush and galloping over terrain etc. but if someone is repeatedly coming home with blood in the mouth then they have to be stopped. These rules do nothing to address the issue. Shame on the FEI. Its tempting go WEG xc to boo and wave a red towel both at her and at the ground jury.

                  Her horse will bleed at WEG and they will do nothing and say it bit it’s tongue for the upteenth time-I wish someone in the press or another rider or another federation or even an outvoted member of the GJ would have the stones to say even if we believe it bit it’s tongue maybe the GD horse wouldn’t bite it’s tongue so much if she didn’t winch it’s mouth closed so right it can’t move.

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                  • #10
                    Not. Good. Enough.

                    What a joke. Ollie whacks his horse a few times too many on camera and they completely overhaul the whip rule, but ML appears in public with blood dripping from the mouths of various horses over a period of *years* and it's still at the discretion of the people in charge? And a slap on the wrist IF you're even found at fault?

                    No, no thank you. This is no longer the sport for me, and I'm getting off this ship before the iceberg known as ML sinks it faster than the Titanic.

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                    • #11
                      I shouldn’t be aghast. But I am. Shameful
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                      • #12
                        Just when I thought about trying to get back into eventing...

                        I was trail riding with a friend who is a veterinarian last weekend and we were talking about horse welfare in sport. She is an official at local endurance rides a few times a year, so I was curious about the rules. She said she has no hesitation about pulling a horse if it's tired or in distress, even if it's the last checkpoint before the finish. She sees it as her job to be the horse's advocate, and that's priority number one. She doesn't doubt that the riders love their horses, but sometime adrenaline and/or fatigue can lead to bad decisions. So, she makes sure she's looking out for the horse.

                        Now I just have to figure out how to get her at the XC finish line at the WEG She could teach some of the FEI officials a lesson.

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                        • #13
                          If anyone violates this rule, I'd be pretty impressed.

                          d.) The whip is not to be used overhand (ie. the whip in the right hand being used on the left flank).

                          If you can hit your horse on the flank with the opposite hand, you have some kind of talent. That would pretty much cause me to fall off. Or maybe I can raise my left arm up in the air and swing the whip with my right hand across my body to reach the left flank. But then how am I going to hold onto my reins?????

                          OK, do they mean "over head" as in you can't turn your stick over and hold it like a fly swatter, raise it over your head, and whack your horse with it? The whole left/right thing is puzzling, though.
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                            Originally posted by Palm Beach View Post
                            If anyone violates this rule, I'd be pretty impressed.

                            d.) The whip is not to be used overhand (ie. the whip in the right hand being used on the left flank).

                            If you can hit your horse on the flank with the opposite hand, you have some kind of talent. That would pretty much cause me to fall off. Or maybe I can raise my left arm up in the air and swing the whip with my right hand across my body to reach the left flank. But then how am I going to hold onto my reins?????

                            OK, do they mean "over head" as in you can't turn your stick over and hold it like a fly swatter, raise it over your head, and whack your horse with it? The whole left/right thing is puzzling, though.
                            It isn’t puzzling. The mean you can’t use it like a lot of barrel racers do, back and forth on both sides. Have you ever watched barrel racing? You will see this often,

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                            • #15
                              Not hard at all to use a whip overhand. Agree that the technique has no place in competition, but I've certainly done it on a very naughty pony in a schooling situation. Keep your rein hand low, soft feel to allow the horse forward, and SMACK on each flank to get your point across.

                              I'd rather give two good wallops and not need my whip again, than nagging tappity tapping as the horse repeatedly ignores a leg aid or acts like a bully. But if a horse needs that kind of correction, he's not prepared to compete.
                              “A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it.”
                              ? Albert Einstein

                              ~AJ~

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by MNEventer View Post
                                Just when I thought about trying to get back into eventing...

                                I was trail riding with a friend who is a veterinarian last weekend and we were talking about horse welfare in sport. She is an official at local endurance rides a few times a year, so I was curious about the rules. She said she has no hesitation about pulling a horse if it's tired or in distress, even if it's the last checkpoint before the finish. She sees it as her job to be the horse's advocate, and that's priority number one. She doesn't doubt that the riders love their horses, but sometime adrenaline and/or fatigue can lead to bad decisions. So, she makes sure she's looking out for the horse.

                                Now I just have to figure out how to get her at the XC finish line at the WEG She could teach some of the FEI officials a lesson.
                                The problem in eventing is that the vets have zero power to actually pull a horse. They can recommend - strongly - that a horse be eliminated from competition, but ultimately the decision lies with the ground jury.
                                ~Nancy~

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