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Schooling HT- Jumping some higher level XC jumps?

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  • Schooling HT- Jumping some higher level XC jumps?

    I’ve seen this mentioned a couple times, so thought I’d ask. Has anyone entered a specific level at a schooling horse trial, and then jumped some of the higher level XC jumps? Of course with the TD’s permission.

    My horse and I just moved up to Novice and are entering a recognized HT in August. Our SJ left a lot to be desired (3 rails), then we went clear XC. There’s a schooling HT close by next weekend, so my trainer (who can’t be there) suggested entering that at BN, to give us a solid confidence boost in SJ.

    So that makes sense, but XC just looks so small. I was thinking about possibly asking the TD if I could go out and, depending on the course and the flow, jumping at least some of the Novice XC instead of all the BN. Of course that would mean I’d be running HC, which is totally fine. I just wasn’t sure if this was something appropriate to ask.

    Thanks!
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    You can ride whatever course you want but if you don't ride all of the BN jumps in order, you will be eliminated. Now, if you jump the BN jumps 1, 2,3 then jump a couple of Novice and come back and continue BN at jump 4, that is fine also. You may find yourself over time if the jumps are too much out of the way.
    "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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      I think it's completely reasonable to ask the TD. I wish more schooling trials had some options that included higher level jumps. I've only seen that a few times.

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        Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post
        You can ride whatever course you want but if you don't ride all of the BN jumps in order, you will be eliminated. Now, if you jump the BN jumps 1, 2,3 then jump a couple of Novice and come back and continue BN at jump 4, that is fine also. You may find yourself over time if the jumps are too much out of the way.
        I don't think I would do this without asking the TD.

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          Originally posted by kcmel View Post

          I don't think I would do this without asking the TD.
          Do schooling shows even have a TD? Shows how much I know, lol
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            #6
            Hmmm, I don’t know. But someone is in charge of XC, even at unrecognized shows, right? Like the XC Controller?

            I wouldn’t do it without permission, of course. I was thinking I’d sub some of the N jumps for BN, not jump BN then circle back and jump N. I wouldn’t think I’d be competing for a ribbon or anything, more like competing HC. My horse doesn’t need to jump BN cross country jumps, but we DO need to jump the BN show jump to sort of get our mojo back.
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              If you're game to run HC anyway, how about asking the organizer if you can do Novice dressage and XC and then the BN stadium course? (I do think your original idea works too, but just sticking to the one course might flow better.)

              That said, if you really want the stadium experience maybe head for a schooling jumper show? (Around here at least it's Wednesday evening jumper show season, they're everywhere!)

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                #8
                I so wish we had a jumper show before August, but the next one within 2 hours of me is the same day as our recognized Novice horse trial

                I have to call the show office Monday to pay anyway (thanks EventEntries) so will ask if I can do everything N except SJ. I’d much rather do the N dressage test anyway!
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                  Any chance it's a mix & match show? Some let you do the 3 phases, but each one in any division you want.
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                    Originally posted by tbchick84 View Post
                    Any chance it's a mix & match show? Some let you do the 3 phases, but each one in any division you want.
                    That's a thing? I need starter dressage, BN stadium and Novice CC. lol
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                      There is in Area 1. The placings are all separate, so you can still come home with a pretty ribbon from dressage and then still crash and burn in stadium or XC. I would ask the show secretary if you can just pay an extra $30 or so to run the Novice XC course after BN is finished. I can't imagine them saying no to extra money.
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                        As a frequent safety coordinator of both recognized and unrecognized shows, the complication arises from the fact that there may not be jump judges placed in view of all the Novice fences, unless BN and Nov run parallel the entire way. Definitely talk with the TD. An easier solution might be to enter a BN CT and an unscored Novice XC run. The you'll be running with the other Novice riders and assured that if a fall should happen, someone will see it and get help if needed.
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                          Originally posted by ACMEeventing View Post
                          As a frequent safety coordinator of both recognized and unrecognized shows, the complication arises from the fact that there may not be jump judges placed in view of all the Novice fences, unless BN and Nov run parallel the entire way. Definitely talk with the TD. An easier solution might be to enter a BN CT and an unscored Novice XC run. The you'll be running with the other Novice riders and assured that if a fall should happen, someone will see it and get help if needed.
                          You’re right- I figured I would only jump N jumps that were on the same track as BN, but didn’t think about the jump judges’ perspective. I have to call Monday so I’ll ask if they can allow me to mix and match. If we have to run BN cross country it’s certainly not the end of the world, I just thought it would be better to throw at least a few N jumps in there if we could.
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                            Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post

                            That's a thing? I need starter dressage, BN stadium and Novice CC. lol
                            Area II has this as well- Loch Moy (Maryland) runs these really casual Wednesday evening schooling "shows" (no ribbons, but you do get a dressage score) and you can mix and match whatever you want. Loch Moy is a premier facility and the Twilight Eventing series is a great schooling opportunity.

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                              Originally posted by mdp9 View Post

                              Area II has this as well- Loch Moy (Maryland) runs these really casual Wednesday evening schooling "shows" (no ribbons, but you do get a dressage score) and you can mix and match whatever you want. Loch Moy is a premier facility and the Twilight Eventing series is a great schooling opportunity.
                              That is awesome!!!! That allows you to dip your foot in some higher levels of things and easing into it. Wish we did that.
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                                Originally posted by CindyCRNA View Post

                                That is awesome!!!! That allows you to dip your foot in some higher levels of things and easing into it. Wish we did that.
                                I wish we we had that around here also! The closest one I’ve seen like that is in GA, so like 5 hours. No bueno.
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                                  who has mix and match in area 1? I've never heard of it.

                                  I'd just ask if you can pay to do an extra cc round at Novice- unjudged.

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                                  • #18
                                    You're in the NC area right? This is The CHP has a schooling day July 14 if you wanted to do a couple of SJ courses--

                                    http://carolinahorsepark.com/events/...ng-day-d-xc-sj

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                                      Originally posted by hopashore1 View Post
                                      You're in the NC area right? This is The CHP has a schooling day July 14 if you wanted to do a couple of SJ courses--

                                      http://carolinahorsepark.com/events/...ng-day-d-xc-sj
                                      Yes, at CHP. I can’t make it in time for the schooling day on Saturday, unfortunately, so am just going up Sunday for the actual competition. It sucks because this will be the first time I’ve seen them say that for the schooling day they’ll be starting the day with BN and going up from there- usually they start higher and end the day with BN. It would be nice to go there with this format so I could do BN a time or 2, then practice Novice a couple times also.

                                      Sigh. The world is clearly against me.
                                      "I know you can ride, now convince your horse."

                                      The Pilgrim Chronicles

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