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  • Airvests?

    Have there been any new offerings in the airvest market or are Hit Air and Point Two pretty much all that's readily available in North America?

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    Charles owen has a hybrid I believe, but also, still ZERO research to support any safety these vests might offer.

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      Airvests!!!! AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

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      • #4
        Come on everyone, play well. This is why we can't have nice things!

        ....OP to answer your question, there has been nothing particularly new (at least not that I know of) besides some hybrid models combining crash and air vests for convenience/optics. On these boards, you will also receive a lot of feedback indicating that air vests are unsupported by research and/or otherwise relatively untested. While this is true, you are of course welcome as a consumer to purchase one if it improves your own experience in some way.

        As you were.

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        • #5
          I bought one of these
          https://www.doversaddlery.com/helite...waAqjjEALw_wcB
          It is comfortable and while it may not be safer it makes me feel more confident.
          I wasn't always a Smurf
          Penmerryl's Sophie RIDSH
          "I ain't as good as I once was but I'm as good once as I ever was"
          The ignore list is my friend. It takes 2 to argue.

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          • #6
            I have a Hit Air I love that I have given a good work out! When i was at Not-Rolex this year, I was not in the market for a new one but it seemed there was a lot more on the market in various colors but i did not look at any or note the brand.
            "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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              Originally posted by RAyers View Post
              Airvests!!!! AAAHHHHHHHHH!!!! NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
              I've been off the boards for a while, but hopefully will get back to eventing soon and was thinking about an air vest. Why do you say that? (Sorry if this would be a re-hashing of previous discussions! If so, please just direct me to the appropriate thread! Thx!!)

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                Originally posted by kj2H1D View Post

                I've been off the boards for a while, but hopefully will get back to eventing soon and was thinking about an air vest. Why do you say that? (Sorry if this would be a re-hashing of previous discussions! If so, please just direct me to the appropriate thread! Thx!!)


                That is me being self deprecating and feigning exasperation, given that pretty much everyone knows my opinion on airvests. Even I’m amused by my hypersensitive responses.

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                • #9
                  Helite is another brand

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                  • #10
                    There was an 'analysis of data' done in Australia on falls in vests.
                    The data showed that the % of people falling off in air vests and getting hurt, as higher than the % of people falling off in non-air vests and being hurt.
                    That was pretty much it, they did state that they had no other factors to consider, such as maybe less experienced people had airvests over more experienced, but to be honest ive always wondered.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by kiwichick View Post
                      There was an 'analysis of data' done in Australia on falls in vests.
                      The data showed that the % of people falling off in air vests and getting hurt, as higher than the % of people falling off in non-air vests and being hurt.
                      That was pretty much it, they did state that they had no other factors to consider, such as maybe less experienced people had airvests over more experienced, but to be honest ive always wondered.
                      Please share this research.

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                        Originally posted by kj2H1D View Post

                        I've been off the boards for a while, but hopefully will get back to eventing soon and was thinking about an air vest. Why do you say that? (Sorry if this would be a re-hashing of previous discussions! If so, please just direct me to the appropriate thread! Thx!!)
                        There has been NO research on air vests, yet they are marketed as a safety product. Some injuries seem worse because of them (Lots of collapsed and punctured lungs). But as there is no research its hard to say. I personally am too nervous to strap one on, if my horse crushed me and I break my neck, what happens when the horse gets up and the air vest inflates and then moves my spine? Nothing good I don't think...

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                        • #13
                          Thanks for the info. I did do a google search and found an article that mentioned some of these concerns as well as the risk of spooking horses from the sound and the risk that if a canister is not replaced properly, you don't know until it is too late and have minimal protection. They also mentioned if deployed, how much time it takes to squeeze the air out of them before you can replace the canister, which as well is a time-consuming process. So... if you are fox hunting or doing something where there may be limited time to remount and resume after a fall, the air vests have some disadvantages that way.

                          So... I know helmets are supposed to have a "lifespan": replace after a fall where they were needed or after 5 years, whichever comes first. Is there any such "rule" for a Tipperary chest protector?

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                            Originally posted by kj2H1D View Post
                            Thanks for the info. I did do a google search and found an article that mentioned some of these concerns as well as the risk of spooking horses from the sound and the risk that if a canister is not replaced properly, you don't know until it is too late and have minimal protection. They also mentioned if deployed, how much time it takes to squeeze the air out of them before you can replace the canister, which as well is a time-consuming process. So... if you are fox hunting or doing something where there may be limited time to remount and resume after a fall, the air vests have some disadvantages that way.

                            So... I know helmets are supposed to have a "lifespan": replace after a fall where they were needed or after 5 years, whichever comes first. Is there any such "rule" for a Tipperary chest protector?
                            My mare slipped in the mud on a fox hunt and dumped me in the middle of the group. Literally every horse around stood there and looked at mt like, "Who farted?' My mare stood there and went, "Well, get back on". My vest goes over my hunt coat , I got back on after unsnapping the front and within 2 min, it was only barely inflated and I finished the hunt. I have a very sensitive TB. He is "aware"when it deploys but couldn't care less. My big Holsteiner is like, "What evs!" I know some horses don't like the sound (I tested it in my living room". But if you fall on CC, a lot of horses are heading back to the barn, vest or no.
                            "Punch him in the wiener. Then leave." AffirmedHope

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                            • #15
                              A body protector is a passive safety device that is always there. An air vest is an active safety device that works in an emergency. In British Eventing rules the body protector is compulsory and the air vest, worn on top of the body protector, is personal choice. The difference is perhaps rider confidence?
                              "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths

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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by Willesdon View Post
                                An air vest is an active safety device that works in an emergency.
                                Well...

                                How about: an air vest is an active safety device that purports to work in an emergency?

                                You can go on YouTube and see a lot of falls where the vest doesn't deploy until after the rider is on the ground. Or is back on his/her feet. Not really sure how this is helpful unless one is expecting to immediately get into a battle with, say, Nerf swords.


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                                  Originally posted by Willesdon View Post
                                  A body protector is a passive safety device that is always there. An air vest is an active safety device that works in an emergency. In British Eventing rules the body protector is compulsory and the air vest, worn on top of the body protector, is personal choice. The difference is perhaps rider confidence?

                                  Well, technically airvests ONLY work if the lanyard is pulled and successfully causes the needle to punctures the diaphragm that allows the charge to inflate the vest.

                                  So, let’s define “emergency.” Does this include cardio infarction? Brake failure on the truck or trailer? How about a burglar or armed intruder?

                                  Active systems only work when activated. They don’t work just because of an “emergency.” One MUST pull the fire alarm to activate the system.

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                                  • #18
                                    Semantics. But we all ride our hobby horses. My friends roll their eyes loudly when I start on the stupidity of white breeches around horses .... So now I'm off for a walk in the summer sunshine☺
                                    "Good young horses are bred, but good advanced horses are trained" Sam Griffiths

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                                    • #19
                                      I feel like I see much fewer of them at events? I wonder if that's the case?

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post

                                        There has been NO research on air vests, yet they are marketed as a safety product. Some injuries seem worse because of them (Lots of collapsed and punctured lungs). But as there is no research its hard to say. I personally am too nervous to strap one on, if my horse crushed me and I break my neck, what happens when the horse gets up and the air vest inflates and then moves my spine? Nothing good I don't think...
                                        There has certainly been research done
                                        https://www.horsetalk.co.nz/2015/11/...nt-fatalities/

                                        Also I will have to search for the findings of the injuries on airvests, what I stated above (and clearly stated wasnt research but analysis of data) came from injuries reported to the equestrian federation here

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