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How Accurate Should Omnibus Listings Be?

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  • How Accurate Should Omnibus Listings Be?

    I'm only in my 3rd year of eventing and keeping my young horse at BN to build her confidence. She's been a rock star at starter horse trials and my trainer encouraged me to try a recognized event this year. I'm curious how much you rely on the information in the omnibus listing for deciding what events to enter. Our first recognized was last weekend and the omnibus listing said the cross country course was 1600m, but it turned out to be 2000m, which was a lot for my horse, and I probably would have passed up on that particular trial if i had known the distance. Is this pretty normal? Should I just always assume that it will be max distance at recognized regardless of what the omnibus says? thanks for any advice!

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    "Accuracy" in the omnibus xc course descriptions has been a problem forever. In general, if you want to know what a course will be like, the only reliable source of info is those who have competed there in the recent past. Omnibus info has to be submitted months before the event, sometimes before a course been designed and built, so it's understandable that some details may change.

    I really only pay attention if the description is particularly challenging, or "not a move up." I don't think I've ever taken length of course into account...actually, I'm usually happier to have a longer course than a shorter one (I spent hundreds of $$ to be there, I want my money's worth!). If the course was indeed longer than the rules specify, that's something to take up with the TD. I would have my horse fit & prepared for the longest distance, and average questions for the level before entering any horse trial.
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      My opinion is most show organizers just copy the omnibus from the previous year to the next year. I find a lot of the descriptions are the same year to year and sometimes the dates in the descriptions haven't even been changed. I agree with the above, the only people who I take the accuracy on is the person who has competed there previously. I am not sure I have even looked at the length at BN and N.

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        While the printed omnibus listings are submitted months ahead of time, the on line listings can be updated at any point. But the actual course length may not be know until after the closing date

        If having the correct length in the listing is important to you, mention it in your event evaluation.
        Janet

        chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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          I agree with everyone above and specifically EventerAj's assessment. I don't put a lot of stock in the descriptions unless it clearly says or eludes to it not being a move up event and I'm looking for a move up course. Regarding the distances, most of those aren't set until much closer to the actual show so I'd just always plan on having a horse fit enough for the level at the max distance at the max speed. I'd rather have my horse be too fit than not enough (until I'm getting bucked off in the warmup and I regret my life choices, but ).

          If you're wondering about the courses you can look for helmet cam video on youtube... while it won't give you distance unless someone has those really cool helmet cams you can get an overall feel for the prior year's courses.

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            Originally posted by ndirish07 View Post
            If you're wondering about the courses you can look for helmet cam video on youtube... while it won't give you distance unless someone has those really cool helmet cams you can get an overall feel for the prior year's courses.
            This is how I judge my entries because I never trust the omnibus, haha!
            "Red on the right, white on the left, insanity in the middle."

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              Originally posted by Littleluck55 View Post
              ... most show organizers just copy the omnibus from the previous year to the next year. I find a lot of the descriptions are the same year to year and sometimes the dates in the descriptions haven't even been changed. I agree with the above, the only people who I take the accuracy on is the person who has competed there previously. (snip)
              HA, we have an omnibus listing for a facility that runs 4-5 events a year. It states all entries include HST in the prices- we (BC) haven't had HST (only GST) for 6 or 7 [or more- I can't remember] years now. Shows how good his proof-reader is! It kind of bugs me, actually, to see how lackadaisical he is about getting that little bit changed.

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                HST?

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                  HST = harmonised sales tax: GST + applicable provincial tax. In BC it =ed 12% IIRC (5% GST + 7% PST).
                  I believe it caused the downfall of a (provincial) government and the election of our previous government since it was promised to be put to a referendum on whether to keep it and the public voted to ditch it. We then switched back to GST + PST. The omnibus listing still has it as HST

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