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Oliver Townend given official warning for over-use of whip at Badminton

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  • Oliver Townend given official warning for over-use of whip at Badminton

    As I was watching I wondered about this, it seemed a little excessive to me, particularly during the last half of the course.
    The ground jury spoke to the British rider today after his cross-country rounds at Badminton Horse Trials on Cooley SRS and Ballaghmor Class

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    I couldn't get the live stream, so I have no basis for evaluation. You'd think, with a sport that says it wants a bigger audience, would make the shows more accessible for viewing.
    "Do what you can't do"

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      Good. Deserves it and to be whipped himself. He probably hit the Horse ten times in the last minute, several times multiple times in a row. Horse was exhausted. Shame on him.
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      • #4
        Originally posted by Jealoushe View Post
        Good. Deserves it and to be whipped himself. He probably hit the Horse ten times in the last minute, several times multiple times in a row. Horse was exhausted. Shame on him.
        You probably need to review that and really look at what he was doing.
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        • #5
          Originally posted by Equibrit View Post

          You probably need to review that and really look at what he was doing.
          No I think maybe you do. And what the GJ is wrong too? Come off it. He smacked the hell out of that horse and I cringed the entire way home. No other rider did that.
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          • #6
            In one thread the officials have been accused of turning a blind eye to horse abuse. In this thread they are now being accused of being over vigilant.

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            • #7
              Well it will be interesting to watch the videos when they are up.

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                You can see video in the comments on this FB thread.

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                  Now that I've seen more videos, this is very disturbing. I only saw a short clip of the first horse. He popped him once on takeoff which I wrote off as wanting a good jumping effort from him his horse. Then I watched him hit him hard 3 times in the galloping lane for no good reason. Horse was tired, end of story.

                  The second ride was much worse. The grey horse was spent/done/tired/wiped out. While I did see a lot of whip waving, I counted 9 that landed hard. He really did beat that poor horse around the course. Shame on him.
                  Last edited by tbchick84; May. 5, 2018, 10:02 PM.
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                  • #10
                    An official warning means nothing; only a yellow card would have potential effects. If he whipped the horse after the last jump, that is specially listed in eventing's no-nos.
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                      Originally posted by canuckeh View Post
                      You can see video in the comments on this FB thread.
                      Wow, he's taking quite a beating himself on Horse Hound facebook. I assume that's a Brit site? Not a very popular guy at the moment.

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                        Originally posted by riderboy View Post

                        Wow, he's taking quite a beating himself on Horse Hound facebook. I assume that's a Brit site? Not a very popular guy at the moment.
                        Nor should he be popular right now. Those videos are pretty bad.

                        Somebody made an interesting point though in the comments. Now that the dressage scoring puts more emphasis on jumping, in the short term does that put the bigger / less hot blooded horses in danger in terms of pushing them to make the time? Both of his horses were obviously very tired late in the course. I'm wondering if TB's come roaring back in popularity for eventing now.
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                          I won't be able to see the full video until it's posted by Badminton on May 7th (according to the website). So I will reserve final judgement until I see the whole ride. But based on what I saw, I'm extremely disappointed. When he won Rolex, I know a number of people were saying how he used to have a reputation for being a bit rough around the edges but had since worked to improve. Not only did the use of the whip seem excessive, it also seemed extremely ineffective to use it even when the horse was being obedient.
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                          • #14
                            I watched the video posted on H&H's FB page in the comments, and after the first three cracks with the whip- none of which seemed warranted and certainly not at that strength- all I have to say is I hope Classic Moet is on form tomorrow and wins the whole thing.

                            I'd hope both horses were spun from the jog tomorrow if that wouldn't mean they'd be unfit to compete, and I hope they're both feeling well.

                            The horse doesn't know or care there's $350k on the line. Ugly.
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                              Originally posted by tbchick84 View Post

                              Nor should he be popular right now. Those videos are pretty bad.

                              Somebody made an interesting point though in the comments. Now that the dressage scoring puts more emphasis on jumping, in the short term does that put the bigger / less hot blooded horses in danger in terms of pushing them to make the time? Both of his horses were obviously very tired late in the course. I'm wondering if TB's come roaring back in popularity for eventing now.
                              Ian Stark and the other commentator were saying it will likely mean more people choosing better jumping horses - and Thoroughbreds are a natural choice but he also said Thoroughbreds have always been the choice for him. I think it will also make things a bit safer, other than instances like this where idiots smack their horses all the way home.

                              He also said you will still need to be good at dressage though So it’s not a throwaway it will just mean the absolute best trained horses win.

                              when they were watching Ollie’s ride they commented that he made a dangerous move and he got lucky and that it was basically unsafe he did it but it worked out for him so what can you do.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by enjoytheride View Post
                                In one thread the officials have been accused of turning a blind eye to horse abuse. In this thread they are now being accused of being over vigilant.
                                One person has disagreed with the GJ decision in this thread. There was more than one who agreed with the GJ’s decision on Little. I don’t get what point you are trying to make.

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                                • #17
                                  While I was watching the H&C feed, I got the impression that the commentators were a bit uneasy about how OT was using the whip on his second ride - several comments were made regarding why he would be using it.

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by riderboy View Post

                                    Wow, he's taking quite a beating himself on Horse Hound facebook. I assume that's a Brit site? Not a very popular guy at the moment.
                                    Brits are way more savage when it comes to animal welfare and the treatment of animals. Rightfully so at times.

                                    Atleast he got a warning, so it was acknowledged as a negative action.

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                                      Originally posted by Renn/aissance View Post

                                      I'd hope both horses were spun from the jog tomorrow if that wouldn't mean they'd be unfit to compete, and I hope they're both feeling well.
                                      Both horses accepted. Cooley SRS sent to hold box - not sure why as I thought he looked ok (as did commentators) but accepted on represent. Only horse withdrawn was Nereo who was clearly head-bobbing.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by BWP View Post

                                        Both horses accepted. Cooley SRS sent to hold box - not sure why as I thought he looked ok (as did commentators) but accepted on represent. Only horse withdrawn was Nereo who was clearly head-bobbing.
                                        I hope they go well today, but I hope Jonelle’s mare goes better!

                                        Shame about Nereo.
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