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  • Cost of off site stabling, need input please

    For those of you who have chosen to stable off site during a competition, what did you find was the typical cost? We're talking paddock space instead of a stall (which I think is the driving decision maker for people choosing this option).

    Let's say the venue charges a flat fee of $200 for the weekend, is that what you would expect to pay for a paddock less than 2 miles from show grounds? Asking as both a consumer and a supplier
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    I’ve only ever stabled off-site in Aiken and I found that while stabling at the venue was $200, most other farms charged between $25-$40/night for a paddock (where available) or stall. Definitely an incentive to stay offsite.

    Im not sure of places around So Pines, though. I’m sure posting it on Triangle Area Equestrians on FB would get some responses.
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      Same, I almost never stable on-site anymore. There's so many Aiken options that run about $35/25 a night. (I have so many options in Area III for anyone trying to save a few bucks!) There's a small hunting barn close to Pine Top that has four-board paddocks, approx $30/night.
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      • #4
        WE are going to Chatt Hills for spring break this year. We are stabling off grounds since we are going for 6 nights and we are paying $25 a night. It costs $200 for the weekend there. We do have to pay the $50 trailer in fee though.

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          Most places I’ve come across anywhere in any disciple or breed basically divide their regular board rate by 30 to establish the daily rate then add a small premium. So at today’s rates, it’s between 20-40 a night. That’s ballpark but surprisingly close to what the vast majority charge, and they include trailer parking, hay (if you want) and water.
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          • #6
            findeight...Do they clean stalls for that too?

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              Thanks for the input. I've gotten a lot of requests and didn't really have any comps to go by. Plus, it opens up options for when I go away, I hate the commotion of all the stabling
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              • #8
                To me it's not worth the bother for $25-50. $150 would be about right. That would include a stall if needed. Bedding would be extra and would have to be cleaned upon leaving. If it were me I would want that option if needed.

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                  I get that people may need to keep on a budget, but this is not a cheap activity and no one is getting rich putting on events. I just want to say that some of the private facilities need the stabling revenue to make ends meet. The entry fees pay the cost of running the event, but in some cases the stabling fees are how they make any revenue. So please, really consider this when you decide to stay off site. We are losing some of these great "farm events" and events on private land. A trend to find stabling elsewhere won't help keep them around.

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                    Originally posted by subk View Post
                    I get that people may need to keep on a budget, but this is not a cheap activity and no one is getting rich putting on events. I just want to say that some of the private facilities need the stabling revenue to make ends meet. The entry fees pay the cost of running the event, but in some cases the stabling fees are how they make any revenue. So please, really consider this when you decide to stay off site. We are losing some of these great "farm events" and events on private land. A trend to find stabling elsewhere won't help keep them around.
                    I appreciate your point. I am actually intimately familiar with the guts of the venue near me and have no intention of competing for their dollars. I've been asked several times to be overflow during the very large event(s) when even the temporary stabling fills. Plus, if you want the entire story, we are building a year round BB&B (Bed, Breakfast, and Barn). Many people look to come to the area in the Winter months, stay at one place, and trailer out to different trainers each day.

                    There is also the trailer in fee added when you don't stay on site.
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                    • #11
                      I won't respond too far and definitely understand your concern. For myself, the $100/150 difference does affect whether I can compete or not. As much as I would love to often stable on site and save the extra hour to pack up my horse from one area to another, I'm already scraping pennies to make it work. Of course, I want these event to survive and try to volunteer when I can, but for me its just not always feasible. (But, I do take a little (just a little) offense to someone inferring that if you can't afford to stable on-site, don't play the game. Maybe it wasn't meant to be in that manner, but I think there are a lot of riders who an extra $100/150 makes a huge difference.)
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                        Originally posted by subk View Post
                        I get that people may need to keep on a budget, but this is not a cheap activity and no one is getting rich putting on events. I just want to say that some of the private facilities need the stabling revenue to make ends meet. The entry fees pay the cost of running the event, but in some cases the stabling fees are how they make any revenue. So please, really consider this when you decide to stay off site. We are losing some of these great "farm events" and events on private land. A trend to find stabling elsewhere won't help keep them around.
                        Like ACounting Rider above, paying huge stall fees could mean not entering another event, at least for me. So either way, the facilities lose out, either on entries or stall fees. I was going to go to Southern Pines in March because I like CHP, but the entry is $200, stall is $200 and RV hookups are $40/night. So I'd rather go to Full Gallop instead, where the entry is $195, stall is $100 and RV hookup is $30/night. Southern Pines = $440, Full Gallop = $325. That's saving $115. With the savings, I can attend Windridge's schooling HT, so extra exposure for my horse and another venue supported.

                        It IS an expensive sport, but most of us aren't rich, including the show organizers/facility owners.
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                          Originally posted by ACountingRider View Post
                          IMaybe it wasn't meant to be in that manner, but I think there are a lot of riders who an extra $100/150 makes a huge difference.)
                          Take it how ever you want. The real question is what quality of care can you afford for your horse if you break him and have to fix him if "$100 makes a huge difference"?

                          I've done this sport for over 35 years usually with the disposable income to do it (which did not make me "rich") but for a time in my 20s without. In hindsight it was foolish and didn't reflect well on my horsemanship--but being critical wasn't my point until the veiled accusation of snobbery. The real thing here is you got farm owners/organizers/locals who bust their butts to put on a show with slim financial margins and significant financial risk, who are doing it to because they love the sport and want to give back and be a part of it. Mean while you've got people complaining about cost (or trying to avoid them) when the truth is if we had to pay enough to actually cover the real costs of putting on an event none of us could afford to pay it.

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                            Originally posted by subk View Post
                            The real question is what quality of care can you afford for your horse if you break him and have to fix him if "$100 makes a huge difference"?
                            $100 for vet care is not the same thing as $100 for a competition. Unless you’re a professional, competitions are for fun and aren’t necessary. Vet care is. So not spending an extra $100 on stabling if there are other options out there doesn’t mean that someone can’t take care of their horse...
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                              Originally posted by subk View Post
                              Take it how ever you want. The real question is what quality of care can you afford for your horse if you break him and have to fix him if "$100 makes a huge difference"?

                              I've done this sport for over 35 years usually with the disposable income to do it (which did not make me "rich") but for a time in my 20s without. In hindsight it was foolish and didn't reflect well on my horsemanship--but being critical wasn't my point until the veiled accusation of snobbery. The real thing here is you got farm owners/organizers/locals who bust their butts to put on a show with slim financial margins and significant financial risk, who are doing it to because they love the sport and want to give back and be a part of it. Mean while you've got people complaining about cost (or trying to avoid them) when the truth is if we had to pay enough to actually cover the real costs of putting on an event none of us could afford to pay it.
                              Wow, that escalated quickly.

                              Budgeting for a year's worth of competitions is hardly the same as budgeting for vet care, and I don't think it is a fair accusation.

                              And I will say again, I am not only quite involved in my local venue, but also in putting on my own State recognized show every year. Competitors find whatever way works for them to afford to show. Either less shows per year, or cutting some cost per show to afford to attend more. It all comes out in the wash. No one is trying to run anyone out of business. Promise.

                              I don't know what's going on on COTH lately, but it seems like even the innocuous threads turn in to a sandbox brawl over the last Tonka truck.
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                              • #16
                                Originally posted by ACMEeventing View Post
                                Wow, that escalated quickly..
                                Yeah, that tends to happen when you take a comment intended to support organizers and smaller farm events as well as concern about horse welfare and instead call me a snob.

                                Every year or so we have threads here wondering why events are canceling and venues are closing. While I don't think "anyone is trying to run anyone out of business" it's often the results of unintended consequences. You don't "intend" to stiff a competition, but you are so focused on your own issues that you are blissfully unaware of how much effort and expense goes into your weekend of fun that never gets charged to your account.

                                And if you guys can't see the dichotomy between "I don't have an extra $100 to pay for stabling" with "sure, I"m good with $10K in unexpected vet bills" then there's really nowhere to go with that.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by jbonifas View Post
                                  findeight...Do they clean stalls for that too?
                                  Not. But when I did that, bedding was included, not extra. Depends.

                                  Have to say it was never cheaper overall then the on the grounds costs, that was not why I went that route. Couple of times it was overflow. Mostly because the on the grounds stalls were crap and/or unsafe with nasty or no decent wash racks and such.
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                                    subk When did I call you a snob?

                                    I'm not going to get into a bickering debate with you about whether I am "blissfully unaware" about the time and effort put into our local events. Anyone that knows me IRL knows how involved I am on just about every level with our venue (beyond volunteering).

                                    I truly appreciate your viewpoint, I do. So maybe agree to disagree on whether 4 overflow paddock spots are a hindrance to the future of our sport.
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                                    • #19
                                      ACMEeventing I'd totally stable with you, and not because I'm trying to run anybody out of business. Rather, some of us have horses that do better with more than a stall, and it's really about horse care. At big venues like CHP, if you're not running FEI levels and required to be in a barn, I think it's actually kinder for some to trailer in from a remote stabling location.

                                      I agree with the above--$25-50/night/horse, depending on location and amenities.
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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by ACMEeventing View Post
                                        subk When did I call you a snob?

                                        I'm not going to get into a bickering debate with you about whether I am "blissfully unaware" about the time and effort put into our local events. Anyone that knows me IRL knows how involved I am on just about every level with our venue (beyond volunteering).

                                        I truly appreciate your viewpoint, I do. So maybe agree to disagree on whether 4 overflow paddock spots are a hindrance to the future of our sport.
                                        YOU didn't, but it was certainly alluded to else where--and I have received a gracious, private apology. Nor did I suggest YOUR specific enterprise would be an issue.

                                        What I said (or tried to) was that if this is a general trend for outside venues to compete with the local horse trials for over night stabling business that for some of the small farm events this could be taking revenue from their already precarious bottom line. If you are a competitor looking to save money by skipping out on stabling at a local farm/smaller event you may be doing so to a detriment to the sport/viability of that event. Just think about it before you do it. And yes, there have been a couple events I know of that if they didn't fill their stabling by a half dozen horses or so it was the difference in breaking even or not--margins can be that small.

                                        AMCE, I trust you know your own local event's situation--although I don't trust people traveling in to. I just want folks thinking this was a win win situation to know that there is indeed a looser in the equation and it just might be a problem. And while I love sharing this sport with newcomers, I'm not particularly interested in subsidizing their experience if they can't really afford it (what do you think the event that didn't make enough money last year does to their prices this year?)

                                        Is this a problem for every event. No. But it is a problem at my very favorite types of events: the farm owner who loves the sport, the organizer who is half crazy for doing this, who is donating a stupid amount of time, who has a handful of loyal hardworking volunteers that show up every year rain or shine. Sure I like the big events at Kentucky Horse Park and the like, but they feel industrialized compared to a down home event that was started as a fund raiser for the local pony club, hunt club or riding club. That's the heart of this sport and we are slowly giving it away.

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