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  • Insulated winter pants or overalls?

    I just moved to Michigan and this will be my first winter here. Need to find some insulated pants that I can wear over tights for riding/barn work. The hard part is I am SHORT. Nearly all forms of pants are too long for me and waaaay to high waisted. I am not horribly short, 5'2''. My inseam is 29" and my middle aged body needs a sz 12. Any suggestions? Years ago when working in CO at a horse farm I had a pair of snow/ski overpants that I could ride in and stay dry also.suggestions of brands would be appreciated. I do have windpro fleece tights but would like an outer layer.


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    I’m in New England and have a few pairs of old ski pants that work great. I’m 7” taller than you and like the Patagonia ones the best. I’d look for snowboarding pants on Sierra Trading Post or R.E.I on sale — they stretchier and sleeker than ski pants, and they’re always too short for me. They make petite sizes, too — maybe try those. Roxy is a good brand, but may be hard to find in a barn-friendly color! I also wear the tractor-store overalls — cotton, insulated, weigh a ton but fit nicely over thick winter clothes. My short barn mate wears them too, and says they come in petite. Good luck — you gotta be warm!


    • #3
      When I was teaching for hours on end in an unheated Chicago indoor arena, I would wear my riding pants and then put some Carhartt bibs on over them. Follow that with a nice puffy jacket and you are all set! I think they make Carhartts in "short." Plus the shoulder straps help adjust where the pants sit. Good luck!


      • #4
        Originally posted by Lizrd View Post
        When I was teaching for hours on end in an unheated Chicago indoor arena, I would wear my riding pants and then put some Carhartt bibs on over them. Follow that with a nice puffy jacket and you are all set! I think they make Carhartts in "short." Plus the shoulder straps help adjust where the pants sit. Good luck!

        ^ this is very helpful - thanks !
        Treat others the way you want others to treat you ~ on your threads !


        • #5
          I used to ride in my Carhartt insulated bib overalls. Letting my knees get cold is miserable so I avoid it at all costs. Since I'm not a fashionista it worked well for me. If you get bibs, only get the ones that unzip all the way up your thigh. The knee high zips are worthless for getting the bibs off with your boots still on.

          A lot of the time with bibs I even took my vest off because they kept my chest and back warm but, they allow free arm movement. And since they have shoulder straps you don't have worry about that second pair of pants twisting or sliding down.


          • #6
            As a general rule dressing in layers in cold climates is better than donning one, heavy garment. Particularly if you will be active and working up a sweat you want to be able to take off a layer or two while you work and then re-don them as you "cool down" so you don't put yourself into a hypothermia via wet clothes.

            If you're going to be essentially static then layering is not so crucial.

            Overalls and a outer jacket to start work might be a good way to begin as they can go off and on reasonably easily.

            You also have to consider "how cold is it?" Work above freezing is different than work below freezing but above 20 degrees F. and that's different that deep cold below 20. Layering is still the Name of the Game.

            Here in East TN we don't worry too much about deep cold. But having lived 16 years in IL, 7 in WI, and 4 in MI has given me some experience!!!

            Personally, I start with a good set of "long johns." I like the silk offering from Cabelas. They are modestly priced and wear reasonably well. Over that goes a pair of appropriate trousers/breeches along with a good shirt. Above freezing I often wear cotton but sometimes wool. Below freezing it's wool. Over that a wind/rain resistant layer. In deep cold I might add a wool sweater or the shirt. Don't "bind" yourself up as you want some air circulation to prevent sweat accumulation. Don't neglect your feet and head. You lose about 75% of your body head through the head. Meaning a warm head means warm feet! Whodda thunk it?!?!?!

            Mounted I wear a helmet and my wife made some fleece inserts to cover my ears. Afoot it might be brimmed hat (likely in rain) or wool "watch cap" (left over from my midshipman days). Always ear covers. Wearing riding boots it's a silk sock liner, a lightweight wool sock, and a Gortex oversock. I have a pair of riding boots that are a bit oversize and these fit. Don't put too much in your boot as that will restrict blood flow and that's bad if you want warm feet. Afoot I delete the Gortex if the boot is waterproof (like a Muck Boot). Again, don't overstuff the boot.

            I also have my "lucky green scarf" and my white, mondo kool Aviator scarf (one silk, one wool). Keeping your neck warm is important, too!!!

            Cabelas also sells silk glove liners. They take whatever riding or work glove you might be wearing down about another 15 degrees.

            If you don't like silk there are some synthetics available. I don't like them but that might be just me. They are, I'm told, reasonable alternatives.

            In the winter "dress for success" means dress such that you can do your job without getting sweated up and risking hypothermia. There are many variations on this theme. Find the one that works for you.

            Good luck in your new home!

            Mangalarga Marchador: Uma Raça, Uma Paixão


            • #7
              Expedition weigh polar fleece pants covered by full side zip shell pants- you don't have to have the full zips but they sure are handy (silk long johns under that if needed). You can find this stuff on the cheap at Sierra Trading post. They make "riding specific" shell pants but I seem to do just fine with regular stuff (and it tends to be cheaper). Stay warm!!!

              Also. A balaclava might also be useful for keeping head and neck warm. And if you aren't allergic down, is very very warm. I have down vest that is amazing.


              • #8
                We don't get deep cold much in the PNW but still I like a parka that comes down to the knees, and unzips from the bottom as well as the top. That gives you the option to open it up if you need more freedom of movement, but keep the chest covered.

                Our big challenge is keeping dry and that's a whole other story.


                • #9
                  I live in New England and have shifts at the barn. In the winter I live in layers.
                  I have 2 pair of pants from Duluth - one "shell" pair that I can wear over my Wind-Pro breeches on the coldest / windiest days, and one insulated pair that is very warm on its own. It seems they don't carry the exact model anymore, but they have many options and you can choose your size and your inseam, which is great.
                  Ottbs - The finish line is only the beginning!


                  • #10
                    Welcome to Michigan!

                    I'd suggest Berne's for women. You can find them at Family Farm and Home.


                    • #11
                      I like my Berne insulated overalls(similar to Carhart). They come in different lengths. I wear a pair of fleece lined breeches or jeans with long underwear under the overalls. The women's style is very fitted in the body part so they keep you toasty.


                      • Original Poster

                        Thanks for all the suggestions. I had forgotten about Sierra Trading, will have to check their web site.


                        • #13
                          For barn work I wear fleece lined jeans frm LL Bean with long johns underneath or Dover has warm ski type riding pants that are really warm. Im 4'7" so I know what you mean about being short, but the petite LL Bean sizes and the xsmall Dover pants fit me well.


                          • #14
                            Bonnie - You and are about the same size. I have two Irideon "Wind Pro" riding britches, and they are super warm. I also have a pair of Equine Couture wind-breaker pants that slip over the britches to give an extra boost of warmth and prevent any wind from impacting the legs. Super lightweight, too, so no extra bulk around the legs for riding.

                            Hope you enjoy Michigan! I missed seeing you at the Fort Valley ride! Did you take Mouse with you?



                            • Original Poster

                              Yes, Mouse is here in MI, boarded at a family farm. We agreed to not buy a farm for our last home. My husbands family is in MI, reason for picking this area. A lot of the year the rain is an issue up here. I also have the Irideon Wind Pro tights but I am trying to be ready for rain and 0 degree weather. I have a horse living in a smaller grass free lot and I spend time picking manure. He does best with regular riding and I find my chubby legs get cold. I'm thinking I should try the "wind" pants as that may be all I need. Or maybe some silk long johns. One of the nice things about this area is the sandy soil. Not much mud, but no mountains! Plan to make a trip to Virginia in June!