• Welcome to the Chronicle Forums.
    Please complete your profile. The forums and the rest of www.chronofhorse.com has single sign-in, so your log in information for one will automatically work for the other. Disclaimer: The opinions expressed here are the views of the individual and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of The Chronicle of the Horse.

Announcement

Collapse
1 of 2 < >

Event Announcements now available FREE to all registered users

We just reconfigured the Event Announcements forum to be available as a free service for all registered forum users. See the thread stuck at the top of that forum for more information.
2 of 2 < >

Forum rules and no-advertising policy

As a participant on this forum, it is your responsibility to know and follow our rules. Please read this message in its entirety.

Board Rules

1. You’re responsible for what you say.
As outlined in Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act, The Chronicle of the Horse and its affiliates, as well Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd., the developers of vBulletin, are not legally responsible for statements made in the forums.

This is a public forum viewed by a wide spectrum of people, so please be mindful of what you say and who might be reading it—details of personal disputes are likely better handled privately. While posters are legally responsible for their statements, the moderators may in their discretion remove or edit posts that violate these rules. Users have the ability to modify or delete their own messages after posting, but administrators generally will not delete posts, threads or accounts upon request.

Outright inflammatory, vulgar, harassing, malicious or otherwise inappropriate statements and criminal charges unsubstantiated by a reputable news source or legal documentation will not be tolerated and will be dealt with at the discretion of the moderators.

2. Conversations in horse-related forums should be horse-related.
The forums are a wonderful source of information and support for members of the horse community. While it’s understandably tempting to share information or search for input on other topics upon which members might have a similar level of knowledge, members must maintain the focus on horses.

3. Keep conversations productive, on topic and civil.
Discussion and disagreement are inevitable and encouraged; personal insults, diatribes and sniping comments are unproductive and unacceptable. Whether a subject is light-hearted or serious, keep posts focused on the current topic and of general interest to other participants of that thread. Utilize the private message feature or personal email where appropriate to address side topics or personal issues not related to the topic at large.

4. No advertising in the discussion forums.
Posts in the discussion forums directly or indirectly advertising horses, jobs, items or services for sale or wanted will be removed at the discretion of the moderators. Use of the private messaging feature or email addresses obtained through users’ profiles for unsolicited advertising is not permitted.

Company representatives may participate in discussions and answer questions about their products or services, or suggest their products on recent threads if they fulfill the criteria of a query. False "testimonials" provided by company affiliates posing as general consumers are not appropriate, and self-promotion of sales, ad campaigns, etc. through the discussion forums is not allowed.

Paid advertising is available on our classifieds site and through the purchase of banner ads. The tightly monitored Giveaways forum permits free listings of genuinely free horses and items available or wanted (on a limited basis). Items offered for trade are not allowed.

Advertising Policy Specifics
When in doubt of whether something you want to post constitutes advertising, please contact a moderator privately in advance for further clarification. Refer to the following points for general guidelines:

Horses – Only general discussion about the buying, leasing, selling and pricing of horses is permitted. If the post contains, or links to, the type of specific information typically found in a sales or wanted ad, and it’s related to a horse for sale, regardless of who’s selling it, it doesn’t belong in the discussion forums.

Stallions – Board members may ask for suggestions on breeding stallion recommendations. Stallion owners may reply to such queries by suggesting their own stallions, only if their horse fits the specific criteria of the original poster. Excessive promotion of a stallion by its owner or related parties is not permitted and will be addressed at the discretion of the moderators.

Services – Members may use the forums to ask for general recommendations of trainers, barns, shippers, farriers, etc., and other members may answer those requests by suggesting themselves or their company, if their services fulfill the specific criteria of the original post. Members may not solicit other members for business if it is not in response to a direct, genuine query.

Products – While members may ask for general opinions and suggestions on equipment, trailers, trucks, etc., they may not list the specific attributes for which they are in the market, as such posts serve as wanted ads.

Event Announcements – Members may post one notification of an upcoming event that may be of interest to fellow members, if the original poster does not benefit financially from the event. Such threads may not be “bumped” excessively. Premium members may post their own notices in the Event Announcements forum.

Charities/Rescues – Announcements for charitable or fundraising events can only be made for 501(c)(3) tax-exempt organizations. Special exceptions may be made, at the moderators’ discretion and direction, for board-related events or fundraising activities in extraordinary circumstances.

Occasional posts regarding horses available for adoption through IRS-registered horse rescue or placement programs are permitted in the appropriate forums, but these threads may be limited at the discretion of the moderators. Individuals may not advertise or make announcements for horses in need of rescue, placement or adoption unless the horse is available through a recognized rescue or placement agency or government-run entity or the thread fits the criteria for and is located in the Giveaways forum.

5. Do not post copyrighted photographs unless you have purchased that photo and have permission to do so.

6. Respect other members.
As members are often passionate about their beliefs and intentions can easily be misinterpreted in this type of environment, try to explore or resolve the inevitable disagreements that arise in the course of threads calmly and rationally.

If you see a post that you feel violates the rules of the board, please click the “alert” button (exclamation point inside of a triangle) in the bottom left corner of the post, which will alert ONLY the moderators to the post in question. They will then take whatever action, or no action, as deemed appropriate for the situation at their discretion. Do not air grievances regarding other posters or the moderators in the discussion forums.

Please be advised that adding another user to your “Ignore” list via your User Control Panel can be a useful tactic, which blocks posts and private messages by members whose commentary you’d rather avoid reading.

7. We have the right to reproduce statements made in the forums.
The Chronicle of the Horse may copy, quote, link to or otherwise reproduce posts, or portions of posts, in print or online for advertising or editorial purposes, if attributed to their original authors, and by posting in this forum, you hereby grant to The Chronicle of the Horse a perpetual, non-exclusive license under copyright and other rights, to do so.

8. We reserve the right to enforce and amend the rules.
The moderators may delete, edit, move or close any post or thread at any time, or refrain from doing any of the foregoing, in their discretion, and may suspend or revoke a user’s membership privileges at any time to maintain adherence to the rules and the general spirit of the forum. These rules may be amended at any time to address the current needs of the board.

Please see our full Terms of Service and Privacy Policy for more information.

Thanks for being a part of the COTH forums!

(Revised 1/26/16)
See more
See less

Experience adding studs to shoes?

Collapse
X
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Experience adding studs to shoes?

    I am received a very nice basic stud kit for Christmas and would like input on how and when endurance riders use them. I do limited distances and hope to do a 50 this year. I only keep front shoes on my horse, and ride mostly in central/eastern KY. We have a lot of loose limestone slab around here that becomes very slippery when it rains. So far we've avoided the limestone/rain combo during competition, but I'm sure we'll meet it eventually. If I use studs, what type should I use? Also, should I put hind shoes with studs on, so he's even all around?

  • #2
    I've never used removeable studs. I've tried the "tap in" studs a couple of times that the farrier can apply to your horse's shoes, and I regularly use borium headed nails. I prefer the borium nails, four per shoe, horse shod all around. IMO, the hind feet tend to slip more often as then are the pushing end. My horses for their own reasons are best off being kept shod and personally I'm far too lazy and short of patience to deal with boots.

    The tap-in studa are tungsten tipped, very small, give a little extra grip without being too much. A foxhunting, endurance riding, equine vet suggested them. But I felt that the borium tipped nails worked a bit better and they cost me less.

    Bonnie S.

    Comment


    • #3
      I like on borium shoes. I live in N Al and we have lots of rocks, pavement, etc. For endurance training and competing it is nice to have. Not sure what a trail will be until you ride it. Why not give the horse the best traction out there?

      My shoer fits the shoe to the horses foot. Then he drills a hole on each side of the shoe about near the heel. He has a drill press on his truck. Then he taps in a stud. Easy. I have reused these shoes alot. There is no damage to any ligaments due to the studs. None. Yes, they do still slip, nothing is that grippy, but the slipping is much less. I have had my gelding in competition where the start of the ride we had to go on slick black top, and the road curved and sloped inward to a ditch. One guy was walking on that and his horse totally slipped and fell and of course ran off. He had shoes with no studs or easy boots. I was following behind him, most of the group was to the far side. My horse never slipped. Some others thought oh less traffic over there, and they came to ride behind me. Their horses slipped. Mine never did. No, my horse was not in danger of getting hurt. The incline was not bad.

      If you are gonna have shoes on might as well as to have all four on. They can slip on the hind end too. When I do hills, that back end needs traction back there too.

      The ones you put in and take out like the eventers, those are a huge hassle. Keeping the tap hole clean, screwing them in and out each time. Huge hassle.

      Also my farrier uses ONLY two nails on each side of my horses feet. His feet are good enough to has less nails. I HATE seeing so many nails on a horses feet. They do not need that many. He does the same on my rocky filly front feet. However, she has three on each side on the back feet due to the way she moves. She slides her back feet, which is what a rocky/gaited horse will do. She has no studs on her shoes. She wears her hind shoes faster. No my QH had terrible feet, and we started with no shoes, 2 nails, 3 nails, and then clips and 3 nails. My farrier didn't want to load his feet up with so many nails, because his feet were not that good.

      OBTW I have lost a shoe on my arab with the 2 nails on each side on all four feet, maybe 2 times. NEVER on a trail. Usually it would happen a couple days after the farrier had been here, and from the pasture. If his shoes get loose, they still do not come off. Why not go barefoot? Because it is TOO rocky here.

      I have pictures of his feet, pm me and I can send you a picture or two. Not sure how to post a picture on this site.

      Stay warm.

      Comment


      • #4
        You do not want to use studs for any extended period of time. They put an enormous amount of torque on the foot as well as increasing the chance of the horse catching and injuring itself. That is why in eventing we only put them on RIGHT before a course and take them off RIGHT after. I would never use studs for any extended work like an endurance race. You will create more problems than you solve.
        Life doesn't have perfect footing.

        Bloggily entertain yourself with our adventures (and disasters):
        We Are Flying Solo

        Comment


        • #5
          My horse has been perfectly sound with studs on his entire life. It isn't like he is going to be on pavement all the time. It is not like he has on these huge high heel shoes either. He is now a coming 13 yr old. He has had studs on and off the course of his riding life. Starting maybe around him being a 6-7 yr old. I have had him since he was a 3.5 month old weanling so I think I know quite a bit about him, also he has lived on my property the entire time too.

          The eventing/hunting studs can really cut into the sod, dirt etc some are huge and giant. They are a different purpose than the studs for trail horses. These studs are not the same at all as those are.

          I don't recall one person who has had studs on their horse having lameness issues. Neither has my farrier. I KNOW he would never put anything on my horse(s) that was going to cause them lameness problems. I have been using him for 12 years. He is a hunter, dressage, eventing, polo type farrier. Doesn't do lots of gaited horses, but does do my rocky filly. Rockies do not require any special shoeing or trimming to gait. I broke, trained, and certified her myself. And let me tell ya, there are alot of rules about shoeing and having a rocky certified. We passed with flying colors.

          Where is the data about the torque?

          Like I say, I have pictures if you wanna see.

          Oh my arab and prime endurance horse has white feet too. OH MY.

          Comment


          • #6
            There's a whole culture? mythology? (I'm searching for the right word...) of using studs for eventing. You can walk up to a total stranger at an event and ask "what studs are you using?" and by the end of the conversation you've made a new friend, even if you politely disagree with their plan. You'll find eventers who wouldn't dream of doing their conditioning rides, or XC schools, without studs, and you'll find some who say if the ground is so bad you need studs, stay home. The one thing they'll probably agree on is that you should have 4 shoes, because the hind studs are the ones you'll need most, if you need them at all.

            Once you get used to putting them in and out, they're a pain but it's not that big of a deal. The smallest road studs are still quite a bit bigger than a glob of borium or those little tap in points someone else mentioned. I guess I'd think hard about why you think you need them - are you doing a lot of work on soft, grassy surfaces? that's when I want studs. Thinking about it, I did appreciate them when we would jump on baked-hard, summer fields when the ground was so hard it was slippery on the turns at speed. But most of the time, if I really NEEDED the studs, I was wishing I wasn't riding at all because the footing was so awful.

            Comment

            • Original Poster

              #7
              My main concern is rocky ground in the rain. Not really something eventers travel over.(no offense) Do studs help that much on such terrain? Or are they primarily for "soft" footing? I've been over some wet rock that was dangerously slick even at a walk, and you had no choice but to cross it, so that's my main worry. I want to have a "back-up plan", should we get to a ride and find it to be wet/slick. As long as there's no lightning, we'll ride, but I'd like to give my horse every advantage I can. Even if they are difficult, I like the fact that I can easily remove the studs in this kit after the ride. I guess my question now is, what size stud should I use? I'm assuming the smallest possible?

              Comment


              • #8
                Originally posted by chicamuxen1 View Post
                I've never used removeable studs. I've tried the "tap in" studs a couple of times that the farrier can apply to your horse's shoes, and I regularly use borium headed nails. I prefer the borium nails, four per shoe, horse shod all around. IMO, the hind feet tend to slip more often as then are the pushing end. My horses for their own reasons are best off being kept shod and personally I'm far too lazy and short of patience to deal with boots.

                The tap-in studa are tungsten tipped, very small, give a little extra grip without being too much. A foxhunting, endurance riding, equine vet suggested them. But I felt that the borium tipped nails worked a bit better and they cost me less.

                Bonnie S.
                The bold are the type of "studs" (we call them corks here) I use with my endurance horse. I am not sure if they are good for rocky ground though, I only use mine in winter because I train outside and the footing is very icey. They are great for that!

                I keep my horse's on all winter (4 or 5 months/year) with snow ball pads, and none of my horses have ever had any soundness issues because of them.

                In the summer I just use regular shoes, and we do quite a bit of mountain riding and our horses are fine on the rocky terrain.

                Comment

                Working...
                X