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  • Let's Play a Game!!

    The post asking for an evaluation of an endurance prospect got me to thinking about a good, educational game we could play (yeah, I'm getting old).

    As a (probably former) breeder of endurance horses, I think it will be fun for me.

    First -- post the pedigree of your horse (Arab preferred, but not necessary).

    We can all post how we think he/she would do, then post their AERC record! If you have personal knowledge of this horse and they were a total wash out for whatever reason, that would be great too.

    I'll start -- NO CHEATING!!

    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bountyful+prince

    Based on the pedigree -- do you think this horse would be a suitable endurance horse?

  • #2
    Great game. Well of course I know nothing but that doesn't commonly stop me from having an opinion. Top line is beautiful Egyptian; Morafic and Ibn Moniet El Nefous were stunning. Both horses are found in the Karahty lines popular in California endurance horses. The bottom Bask/Serafix is also pretty. Bask was Polish; Serafix was CMK and a full brother to Silver Drift. CMKs are highly considered for endurance. I would say this horse does well. Am I wrong?

    Here is the mare line of my National Show Horse for your consideration:
    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ga+louisiana+grey
    Last edited by prudence; Nov. 11, 2009, 11:59 AM.

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    • #3
      Sorry I cheated!!! Nice record, Kyzteke!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Eddy's Mom View Post
        Sorry I cheated!!! Nice record, Kyzteke!
        EM -- you gave it away!!!

        And gosh, that is NOT my record (I wish). Just a good friend of mine. And I am really proud of how she is doing with this horse this year...she trained that horse from the ground up.

        She has afew of my younger horses (that I've bred) and also one that I found for her...we'll see how that one does next year.

        However, since we are talking about pedigrees,etc. it should be noted that this horse is a real PITA to ride (per his owner) and can be a real asshat sometimes. Took over 6 months of ground work before she felt it was safe to climb aboard. But she loves him anyway.

        And he sure does well...1800+ miles this year and not one lame step!

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          #5
          Originally posted by prudence View Post
          I would say this horse does well. Am I wrong?

          Here is the mare line of my National Show Horse for your consideration:
          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ga+louisiana+grey
          No, you are right. EM gave it away No more of that you guys!

          Based on your mare's bloodlines, I would say the mare is/was abit of a hottie, with perhaps abit more knee action than is idea for endurance, but tough as nails and a real competitor.

          I personally LOVE Bask, but my mare has Bask x 3 and my idea of a nightmare would be riding her for 100 miles (very jarring trot and a spook every mile or so). But when I bred her to my Akhal Teke stallion this is what I got:

          http://pets.webshots.com/photo/26625...04425996feBkSN

          SO improved his movement. He can trot faster than most Arabs can canter & he looks to be VERY smooth. Lessened the spook too...although not sure why THAT happened...

          This pic was taken on his 3rd b-day, so next year we'll see how he does....

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          • #6
            Boy Cisco is something else. How big is he at three? That light bay color is very attractive as well.
            You are correct about our boy's gaits being rough - is that because of the heavy park talent on his mom's side? I was attributing his high-steppin' nature to his saddlebred pa. And yes, he is an extremely nice endurance horse with over 1200 endurance miles. Thanks for the information.

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            • #7
              Oooooopsy, sorry forgive me?

              This is my mare, I attained her recently, am absolutely in love with her!!

              http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+replika

              Here is her pic:

              http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=415928

              I also have a NSH gelding. He has almost 1000 miles, this was his second year. Tragically we found that he has very, very early arthritis in his knee, which will be the end of his endurance career. He has too much action up front, which is much harder on the joints. He is going to be a dressage horse now, and has TONS of arena miles left, but it still broke my heart His mare line is by Ariston

              Here he is: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=305349

              This is my baby, I LOFF him! He is by a Varian-bred stallion, out of a polish mare, very large and damn nice legs. This little buggar moves sooooo efficiently, there is no wasted movement there. No action, just long, forward strides.

              Here he is: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=389207

              Sorry, I couldn't post pedigrees, I am no fun in this game!!!

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              • #8
                Stupid facebook, sorry, picture links don't work

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by prudence View Post
                  Boy Cisco is something else. How big is he at three? That light bay color is very attractive as well.
                  You are correct about our boy's gaits being rough - is that because of the heavy park talent on his mom's side? I was attributing his high-steppin' nature to his saddlebred pa. .
                  Cisco is actually a buckskin. His sire, Kinor was my cremello Akhal Teke stallion, who I lost in a freak pasture accident this last summer at only 9 yrs old. Pretty much decimated my breeding program and he is basically irreplaceble. But riders like Kerry Redente & Mel Hare have his babies o/o Arab mares and I have one or two due next year o/o Belesemo-bred mares...so we'll see. Might be nice if he left some sort of legacy. Either way it was a hard loss.

                  Anyway...Cisco is not tall. His dam is only 14.2 and she NEVER produces height. I bred her to a 16.3hh Dutch WB and got a lovely mare, but only 15hh!!

                  He is plenty tall for me and has SUPER bone (mom has plenty and dad was over 8" for a 950lb horse) and great feet, but he'll mature at about 14.3-15hh...I don't think he'll go over that.

                  His movement is wonderful, but I don't like the way his hind pasterns sit -- I think they are alittle "soft" for my tastes. But I've had other riders tell me not to worry about it. At my age I doubt I'll be doing Tevis-level endurance riding anyway.

                  As for your boy -- I was just evaluating the mare's side, and from what I understand that real high knee action doesn't make for super smooth gaits. Bask was an English pleasure horse (although not as extreme as these days), so I would guess both that AND the saddlebred would make the gaits abit rough. But boy, are the Bask horses tough!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Eddy's Mom View Post
                    Oooooopsy, sorry forgive me?

                    This is my mare, I attained her recently, am absolutely in love with her!!

                    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+replika


                    I also have a NSH gelding. His mare line is by Ariston
                    OK, but don't do it again .

                    Well, I sure can't argue about your mare's bloodlines -- I have 3 Belesemo mares that I bought from Kim last year to breed to Kinor. I looks like two are in foal.

                    This one:
                    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+harmony
                    Her pics:
                    http://pets.webshots.com/album/575496905IOsLQq

                    This one is also in foal (I think) and I plan on keeping her for myself to ride, but will offer the foal for sale. Will be a hotter sort of ride, but I think a super endurance mount.

                    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+julietta

                    This last one was only 2 this year, so didn't get bred, which is a real shame, because I think she might have been the best of the lot. Super movement and absolutely a perfect doll. Wants to come be with you all the time. Not going to be super big (15hh max), but would be a perfect all-arounder -- could do some dressage, halter at the local level + endurance for a kid or smaller rider. And if you are into CMK breeding...

                    http://pets.webshots.com/album/575437425SWsrID

                    and her pedigree:
                    http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=

                    As for your gelding -- there is still alot you can do for arthritis, especially if you get it in the early stages; supplements, injections, etc. You could still do ALOT of trail miles on him. And some lower level dressage should actually help him stay flexible.

                    I love Ariston -- one of my mare's lines to Bask come through a full brother to Ariston.

                    Have you been riding your Belesemo mare yet?
                    Last edited by Kyzteke; Nov. 12, 2009, 09:23 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I'll play, Here is mine http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tf+lillys+shoshana

                      Gorgeous horses Kyzteke!!
                      My little girl, Katai - 13.2 Haflinger/Unicorn
                      and her blog

                      "Ponies are the new black. Welcome to the darkside!" - Manahmanah

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                      • #12
                        Here ya go.

                        http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=

                        Umm, check out his line breeding. Woo.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Kyzteke View Post
                          OK, but don't do it again .

                          Well, I sure can't argue about your mare's bloodlines -- I have 3 Belesemo mares that I bought from Kim last year to breed to Kinor. I looks like two are in foal.

                          This one:
                          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+harmony
                          Her pics:
                          http://pets.webshots.com/album/575496905IOsLQq

                          This one is also in foal (I think) and I plan on keeping her for myself to ride, but will offer the foal for sale. Will be a hotter sort of ride, but I think a super endurance mount.

                          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+julietta

                          This last one was only 2 this year, so didn't get bred, which is a real shame, because I think she might have been the best of the lot. Super movement and absolutely a perfect doll. Wants to come be with you all the time. Not going to be super big (15hh max), but would be a perfect all-arounder -- could do some dressage, halter at the local level + endurance for a kid or smaller rider. And if you are into CMK breeding...

                          http://pets.webshots.com/album/575437425SWsrID

                          and her pedigree:
                          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=

                          Oh girl, you KNOW I've been drooling over those girls for sale. I would buy Harmony in a second if she wasn't in foal, and would take the flaxen filly if she was a couple years older!! Love those girls!

                          As for your gelding -- there is still alot you can do for arthritis, especially if you get it in the early stages; supplements, injections, etc. You could still do ALOT of trail miles on him. And some lower level dressage should actually help him stay flexible.

                          I know he has a lot of miles left, that's why I am doing what's right for him and finding him a more appropriate home. He is not a fun "trail" horse, and he and I don't get along well enough 100% of the time to keep him as such. He is an absolute GEM in the arena, which makes me think he's more comfortable in there. I will find him a fantastic new home! And yes, he's been on both Adequan and Legend, Platinum Performance and is on 90 acres. He has only showed the slightest sign of pain after the last 50 we did (fast). I am sure all of our preventative treatments have kept him as sound as he is.

                          I love Ariston -- one of my mare's lines to Bask come through a full brother to Ariston.

                          Have you been riding your Belesemo mare yet?
                          Yes! She is my dream girl, I adore her! I did four 50's on her last month at the five-day down here. She rocks, I love her!!!! I have her right now to campaign, Kim wants her back when she's done being an endurance horse to breed her. I keep telling her I won't ever be done, she'll have to settle for a couple embryos!!

                          K, here are mine. I'll post info again:

                          Belesema Replika:

                          (pedigree speaks for itself)

                          http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/belesema+replika

                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/4390217...7622667465475/

                          PF Fast Eddy:

                          NSH gelding, out of an Ariston mare, bred for show on the Saddlebred side- this horse is clearly a show pony, he is a hoot to watch!

                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/4390217...7622667465475/

                          Top of the Walk CLL:

                          My up-and-comer, 3yr old gelding. His father is a Varian-bred GORGEOUS stallion, his mother is polish/spanish cross. I know he really looks like an elk/horse hybrid right now but I keep telling myself he will come together when he's four or five! I hope! Regardless, he has the best mind I have EVER come across, and is smooth as silk to ride. Gotta love it!

                          http://www.flickr.com/photos/4390217...7622667465475/

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by piccolopony View Post
                            I'll play, Here is mine http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tf+lillys+shoshana

                            Gorgeous horses Kyzteke!!
                            I LOFFFFFFF Varian-bred horses (hence the fact I have one ;-)) I'll bet this horse is a stunner. There are a lot of super talented Bey Shah endurance horses, I used to have one, he was hot and spooky but an amazing athlete.

                            Where's the pics!!!! That's my favorite part of this game!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rmh_rider View Post
                              Here ya go.

                              http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/inde...mall_font=1&l=

                              Umm, check out his line breeding. Woo.
                              Love it! Gotta love Aulrab, so now it's just twice as much lovin'!

                              Should be athletic and nice and compact.

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                              • #16
                                He has the shortest back I have ever seen on a horse. I should have left him a stallion just to pass on that back. Yes, he does have a short back. He is also very stocky.

                                No western no endurance NO treeless fits him they are too long in the length. English only. I ride in a Solstice. He is a wide. Big overstride of 12+ ". He has very little lift to his trot which is perfect for endurance. He has done well in endurance. Sound all the time. Great attitude all the time. I wish I could be sound all the time. sigh. This horse is also a super easy keeper, eats everything all the time, never picky, wants to try new stuff.

                                Color aside, more should have these crabbets - jmo. They are little sherman tanks and the other part is mt goat.

                                Not sure how to post a picture, so guess I won't.

                                Still think it is freaky that the sire and dam got together to make Shama. Barn accident? Whatever, it worked.

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                                • #17
                                  Okay, I can play half:
                                  Here's my guy's pedigree

                                  He's a half sibling to Meg Sleeper's Syrocco Blair

                                  Here's a few pics of him: Sienna

                                  I don't have any AERC miles yet- but we will soon
                                  "As soon as you're born you start dyin'
                                  So you might as well have a good time"

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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by rmh_rider View Post
                                    He has the shortest back I have ever seen on a horse. I should have left him a stallion just to pass on that back. Yes, he does have a short back. He is also very stocky.

                                    No western no endurance NO treeless fits him they are too long in the length. English only. I ride in a Solstice. He is a wide. Big overstride of 12+ ". He has very little lift to his trot which is perfect for endurance. He has done well in endurance. Sound all the time. Great attitude all the time. I wish I could be sound all the time. sigh. This horse is also a super easy keeper, eats everything all the time, never picky, wants to try new stuff.

                                    Color aside, more should have these crabbets - jmo. They are little sherman tanks and the other part is mt goat.

                                    Not sure how to post a picture, so guess I won't.

                                    Still think it is freaky that the sire and dam got together to make Shama. Barn accident? Whatever, it worked.
                                    Oh my gosh don't you LOVE your solstice? I ride in a Rubicon, I will never get rid of that saddle and will never switch brands!

                                    Your pony sounds great, wish we could see pics!!

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                                    • #19
                                      How is the Rubicon different than the Solstice?

                                      Yeah, I like it alot. I have had it since 2002. I had been looking for a change of a saddle, and tried several BM saddles none fit. And that would be that none fit on my Rocky Filly, already know the don't fit my arab. That breed is stocky. She fits really well in the wide Solstice, and so does my arab. So I give up.

                                      Not looking for saddle suggestions. Sorry. They don't fit because they pinch both in the withers, and of course on my arab they are too long. Sorry I don't believe in padding them up with a fancy pad, it is the princess and the pea with pads.

                                      I keep suggesting the Solstice on other gaited horses. It is wide enough to accommodate their front ends, or narrow if your horse is a different shape. Very secure, very comfy, so somebody could ride if they need that security. I guess that is another thread on saddles.

                                      Not sure how to post a picture. Clues?

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                                      • #20
                                        I too ride in a solstice - absolutely ADORE it. Did 68 miles (pulled at Foresthill) in it at Tevis and wasn't sore - even witout a cover on it.

                                        BTW, if anyone wants to take a look - here's teh pedigree of my girl:

                                        http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tkr+triforta
                                        Check out my blog!

                                        www.bootsandsaddles4mel.blogspot.com
                                        AERC miles: 740 and counting!

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