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  • #21
    NOT a border collie, please

    They're bred to work hoofstock and many are very "high drive." Which means they will want to herd the horses, cars you may encounter, and other animals such as loose dogs or livestock.

    They are incredibly intelligent and can be taught to have an "off switch." Of course, any working stockdog has to know when to stop working stock. But when a border collie, even one with a great "lie down" and 100% recall, is around stock, it pays to have your attention on the stock and the border collie. Which of course you can't do if you're also having to pay attention to your horse, trail companions, etc.

    I'm glad the poster above had a good experience with this breed. They're the best, IMO - that's why I live with one and volunteer a lot of my time to border collie rescue. But I see so many bc's come through the rescue who were given up by their original homes because they didn't work out as expected, that I just wanted to post a warning.
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    • #22
      On your own property, any dog is a suitable trail companion. On public or privately owned property, leave the dog at home. The leash law applies under these circumstances and I think it would be virtually impossible to ride and have a dog on a leash at the same time.

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      • #23
        where do you people manage to ride that is safe for your dog to run loose like that? we have to cross roads, pass near people's backyards (and their loose aggressive dogs), and share the trails with hikers and dog walkers when we go out trail riding. I'm fine letting a well-trained dog off leash while I'm walking on foot, because it's so easy to snap the leash back on again if you approach a road or other safety hazard, but if you're up there on the horse? not so easy. Even a super-well-trained dog isn't a machine, who knows what could happen.

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        • #24
          Originally posted by Just My Style View Post
          On your own property, any dog is a suitable trail companion. On public or privately owned property, leave the dog at home. The leash law applies under these circumstances and I think it would be virtually impossible to ride and have a dog on a leash at the same time.
          Oh, how I wish leash laws applied where I live. But they don't, and it seems like every other landowner thinks its his/her God-given right to allow their dogs to harass passers-by on the public road. Now that I'm bringing my horses home from the boarding stable, I'm wondering how best to handle this. I love dogs, and on foot I've been able to either make friends or at least strike a truce with the loose beasties. But I'm not sure what my two geldings are going to think. I'm considering teaching both to accept my popping a hunt whip from the saddle, just in case some dog gets above himself.

          I agree about leaving dogs at home on trail rides. My RI has a dog who stays home now by popular demand, since we've all spent time on trail rides searching for the flighty little thing, or blocking traffic with our horses so she could catch the silly beast before he ran into the road.
          I'm not ignoring the rules. I'm interpreting the rules. Tamal, The Great British Baking Show

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          • #25
            I know. Unfortunately, too many think the leash law is an optional law. Well, it isn't. I spent an extra $1k on my fencing to reinforce it with wire to keep my neighbors "friendly" goldendoodle out of my paddocks. The dog is friendly. The horse isn't.

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              #26
              Since you didn't ask 'whether' you should take your dog on the trails, those who presumed to weigh in on that should maybe start their own thread... .
              Thanks

              where do you people manage to ride that is safe for your dog to run loose like that? we have to cross roads, pass near people's backyards (and their loose aggressive dogs), and share the trails with hikers and dog walkers when we go out trail riding
              We have hundreds (literally) of miles of trails that require NO road work, no residential areas and I have yet to meet a hiker...meet lots of other horses. Yes, I'm spoilt in the PNW and I LOVE IT.

              Reason I was asking on breeds, and quite surprised at the answers, is I want a dog that can physically take it. Great Danes are wonderful but I would imagine (and may be wrong) break down at a youngish age.

              Dalmations- not a fan of, sorry. Have yet to meet a nice one (don't flame me, I work around dogs daily and I have honestly yet to meet a nice one).

              I was just curious to see what you all had and how they held up. My Rottie mix for example would LOVE to be a trail dog but is physically too big (100 lbs- not overweight) and I feel it would reck his joints. My lab/border collie mix can go all day and is sensible around horses.

              My next thought for a dog was a feild cocker.....
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              • #27
                I can't in good conscience recommend any specific breed. There are any number of breeds (or mixes) of which a healthy one could physically do the job. You need a biddable individual with a great temperament and channelable drives. Yeah, a Border Collie could be the best dog or the worst. It depends on the *individual* dog, and your skills as a trainer/handler.

                As an aside, yeah, it's awfully difficult to find a good Dalmatian (because of the ****wits who bredbreedbreed every time Disney releases another Dal movie), but they *are* out there, and running alongside horses is what they were bred for, physically and mentally.

                Good luck.

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                • #28
                  No flame..I understand the stigma with dals as there are with other breeds.

                  Yep, the breeders need to take blame for reducing the gene pool breeding to the same damn stud dog in the early 90s.

                  Anyway, dallies were bred to guard the stable house at night, and run with the carriages during the day. They are bred to be guard dogs.....what happens is you get these idiots who want to buy them because they have spots.....they do not realize that dals a. are endurance dogs and need to run off energy b. they need to be indoor dogs with families c. they need obedience training d. they need a job.

                  I've had 2 purebreds, 1 pointer/dal mix, and I foster. They are socialized daily, exercised daily, loved on daily....they are the best dogs, couldn't imagine my life without spots....they have personalities similar to arabian horses...very smart, but often are labeled as dumb, as they can outsmart the person working with them.

                  They aren't for everyone.....but I hate it when people give them a stigma of being "bad dogs" because they knew one that was bad....more often than not, it's due to poor ownership. There's good and bad in EVERY breed... including some of the more popular pet dogs such as goldens and labs, once again, usually due to poor ownership.

                  Too bad you don't live closer to me, I could introduce to 3 good ones!!!!

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                  • #29
                    Best breed for a trail dog?

                    Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                    There's good and bad in EVERY breed... including some of the more popular pet dogs such as goldens and labs, once again, usually due to poor ownership.
                    Poor breeding too.

                    And I don't know about anyone else but I can only deal with one animal brain at a time!

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                    • #30
                      My Jack Russell makes an excellent trail dog. She stays right with us and if there are strange dogs in the area, she will stay right next to me.
                      I also had an Aussie that was a great trail dog too. Unfortunately she also LOVED to go. She would jump in any car/truck door if it was open. She ended up getting stolen that way.
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                      • #31
                        I've had a Dalmatian in my life (serially) for over fifty years. My current one, a dumpee post 101 Dalmatians, is the only one who isn't attracted to horses. He's a wonderful guard dog, but not a good barn/trail dog. I live in the middle of a huge row crop farming area with no people for miles, and I can ride the turnrows with my pack of dogs to my heart's content.

                        One of the best dogs for trail riding in my current group is a "sporting" bred American cocker. I just really, really hate the coat maintenance that goes with him. He seems to attract cockleburrs like a magnet.
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                        • #32
                          I can't say enough about German Shepherd's. Living in Northern WI, Anna has been a godsend. We have a population of wolves and bears. On more than one occasion she has cleared the trail of unwanted predators which believe me are much scarier than the dog themselves. My horses have become very dependent on her. Albeit she is well behaved and doesn't stray. And my horses, well, they are not very tolerant of other dogs so if another dog interferred I'd say Echo (the horse), "sic em". LOL
                          Mary

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                          • #33
                            Originally posted by gothedistance
                            Best to look at the wiry working/herding dogs built/designed to go and go and go, yet stick with you come he!! or high water -- border collies, Malamutes, Aussies, Belgians -- or in the Sporting Group -- Weimaraners, Dobies.
                            Good Lord, not Malamutes. Perhaps you mean (Belgian) Malinois? Belgians (my breed) can be extremely high drive, and temperament problems are, sadly, fairly common. Kind of a "full time" breed.

                            But a good one is fabulous, and yes, they can go and go and go.

                            And Dobies are great. An underrated breed for sure. I was very active in a Dobie rescue group for a few years, and was *stunned* at all the good, resilient temperaments I saw despite some horrendous conditions. But they've got more than there share of health issues.

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                            • #34
                              We've had several different breeds; cross Standard Poodle was the best one for me. She'd stick by me and my mare at all times - for miles and miles. Even when there was a wildlife lurking out there, she'd just ignore it and stick by us. Cleo was really friendly that people felt comfortable around her even when I was high up on my mare. Everytime we'd go out, Cleo would bounce with joy and GO! I miss her.

                              Those two breeds are loud no for us....Border Collie and White West Highland. Westie would take a look at us, turn around, walk back to the house, and lay down on the porch looking very despodent. I'd cajole her to follow us only to see her "shaking her head". She'd much rather stay at home!

                              Border collie must "work" at all times which was vexing at times. Plus, she was not suitable to be a hearing dog.
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                              • #35
                                Having had hunting dogs, ranging from Coonhounds to Beagles to Pointers, I would vote against a hunting dog for sure. Finding one who will not pursue his own instinctive agenda will be tough, I think.

                                I will vote FOR any service breed--sheps, dobes, etc., or a mix thereof. If I were you, I would go down to the local shelter and look for a youngster with good leg and high energy, combined with an interest in taking direction. Bring a ball with you, and take any dog you are interested in out to play. Throw the ball, and then make a big "come see me, doggy!" deal out of him coming back to you. Don't worry so much about the release, but see who is interested in playing the game within the parameters you set (coming back, etc.). That dog may be a good candidate for you.
                                "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
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                                • #36
                                  *Great* advice!

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                                  • #37
                                    Thanks!
                                    Years of fostering rescue dogs makes it important to size them up quickly, esp. when you are checking for important things like a lack of interest in killing the resident dogs and cats.
                                    "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; but if you really make them think, they'll hate you." -Don Marquis
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                                    • #38
                                      Originally posted by dalpal View Post
                                      No flame..I understand the stigma with dals as there are with other breeds.

                                      I've had 2 purebreds, 1 pointer/dal mix, and I foster. They are socialized daily, exercised daily, loved on daily....they are the best dogs, couldn't imagine my life without spots....they have personalities similar to arabian horses...very smart, but often are labeled as dumb, as they can outsmart the person working with them.

                                      Too bad you don't live closer to me, I could introduce to 3 good ones!!!!
                                      I am living for the day that I can finally get a dal. True story-I've wanted one since I was a very little kid, like six years old or so. I hadn't seen the movie 101 dalmations, we were actually looking at houses because we were moving and this one house had a dalmation named Tigger that howled the whole time. I don't know why, but since then I've wanted one (I was a strange kid anyway!). I finally saw 101 Dalmations when I was much older and it pissed me off because I knew people would want one solely because of the film.

                                      I also want a chocolate lab. I found a chocolate lab/dal mix for adoption on petfinder. My SO said that dog would probably be the naughtiest dog alive. I said it would be perfect for me
                                      The morgan farm next to my house breeds dalmations. I am really looking forward to getting my own place so I can finally get one. I also really want an appy. I guess I just have a thing for spots

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                                      • #39
                                        When I was a young adult riding in Ridgefield, CT., on weekends, I would take my city-dwelling Saluki up with me and for two days, we would cover miles of trails after our lessons, down the dirt roads, through the fields, galloping, trotting, walking. It was enough to keep her happy for the remainder of her apartment-bound week.

                                        Alas, I would fear to do this now due to the increase in automobile traffic and the sheer number of new houses.

                                        But it was pure delight!

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                                        • #40
                                          I have the following breeds that go on trail rides with me -

                                          Rat Terrier- Easy to clean (short hair) drys off quickly very loyal, listens well, small enough to cross rivers in my lap on horse back (15lbs) and can jump up there herself by command, can keep up, Never wears out. Easily fits in pickup

                                          Doberman- Very easy to clean,(very short hair) drys off quickly, very loyal, (even though he is harmless he frightens people with his size) listens well, great with horses, friendly to everyone (afraid of frogs and centipedes) Takes up an entire seat plus some in a pickup.

                                          Lab- takes a little longer to dry than the doberman and rat terrier, will stop to play in ANY water you cross, loyal, listens well, not as easy to keep clean. Happiest riding in the back.

                                          Giant Schnauzer- Giant velcro will pick up leaves, sticks trigs, briars, burs, etc in coat and you have to pick out unless you keep it cut short. (plus side they do not shed) Takes about as long as the lab to dry. Incredibly loyal and sticks to us like glue. Does not leave me for any reason. Very protective not a dog for everyone.

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