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Endurance and Dressage Horse?

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  • #21
    We have three half-Arabs

    And can tell the impact of the other half on each of them.

    One half-Morgan. Sturdy, bold, opinionated, tough.

    One half-Saddlebred. Very aware, people-oriented, up and forward.

    One half-Trakehner. Big, big mover, good bone, interesting brain. Loves his dressage.

    The half-Arabs have been a big hit with us. The half-Trakehner has the most miles and is a successful 100 mile horse despite being too big and too opinionated for his own good. I bought him to condition with my husband, who was already doing endurance, and to show in dressage, as that was my primary thing at the time. haha His dressage is really rusty now.

    --Patti

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    • #22
      I currently have a Saddlebred and we do almost exactly what you describe. We show in dressage and spend considerable time on the trail. Though I have not competed in the trail riding, I am certain in our younger days it would have been right up his alley. 'Go' with 'whoa' describes him perfectly. Personable, and always aware that you are 'up there', even in moments of 'crisis' he will always tip an ear back to get further direction, has never offered to bolt or otherwise 'wig-out'. He is so sensible and still alert, up and forward. A very, very fun ride in the ring or on the trail. So, from my personal experience (also with other ASBs) I would highly recommend a Saddlebred or a cross.

      Edited to add, my guy is from the 5-gaited lines (although he has never been trained to rack, he goes W/T/C like every other horse), they just tend to be larger and a bit more substantial.
      Wiiliam
      "A good horse is worth more than riches."
      - Spanish Proverb

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      • #23
        I know you said you perfer the hotter breeds, I do to.

        However one cross/type I might suggest is either an Arab/ Appy cross, or a straight Appaloosa.

        They do well in endurance and still have the size/look for showing. (aka as non typey Arabian)
        My main guy is an appy/arab cross and most people are quite shocked when they are told he's 1/2 arab - he doesn't look it at all. And he's a fair size, 16.1 hh.

        Aother cross we had huge success with was a 1/2 arab 1/2 percheron.
        50 milers horse, plus a hunter/jumper. Another non typey cross. And he could be quite 'hot'.
        Originally posted by ExJumper
        Sometimes I'm thrown off, sometimes I'm bucked off, sometimes I simply fall off, and sometimes I go down with the ship. All of these are valid ways to part company with your horse.

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        • #24
          I'll 3rd the Appy vote. I've seen a lot of them in endurance around here. But get a real Appy and not a Quarterloosa (no more comments on that. LOL) An Appy/Arab cross would be most cool. Morgans, TBs, Shagya, or crosses would be nice! You can get plenty of hot with a TB, and about 16 hands of size and good bone.

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          • #25
            Totally recommend Akhal Tekes or Arab/WB crosses (or an Anglo). Of course, every individual is different, but these breeds have alot to offer in both disciplines. Akhal Tekes are known for their extreme endurance and are very athletic horses. Absent, a PB AT, won medals in dressage in 3 Olympics under 2 different riders, including a gold.

            My main endurance mount is an Arab/WB cross I bred myself. The dressage people went ga-ga over her, but they wanted taller (she is just 15.1hh or less) -- even though several pros pointed out to their clients that her gaits were actually bigger than those of 16.2hh horses.

            I also have a TB/Teke mare who is excellent, although she doesn't have the feet that the Arab/WB cross does.

            Rather than going by the breed, go by the individual. Pick a horse that isn't too tall, has good bone & feet, good recoveries and the gaits to do dressage. Believe me, they are out there.

            Good luck!

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            • #26
              Originally posted by cb06 View Post
              IPersonable, and always aware that you are 'up there', even in moments of 'crisis' he will always tip an ear back to get further direction, has never offered to bolt or otherwise 'wig-out'. He is so sensible and still alert, up and forward.
              YES YES YES. You described that "je ne sais quoi" quality that ASB's have PERFECTLY. When I try to explain it to my friends, they all tell me "well, my horse has a good temperament too".. and I get frustrated.. grr, that's not what I mean. I mean when most other horses freak and "tune you out", by either bolting, bucking, etc.., most Saddlebreds will remain completely "aware" of their person and try their DARNDEST to be good, no matter how freaked out they are. Their people-oriented nature seems to be so deeply ingrained that it often overrides that "fight or flight" instinct.

              At least, that's been my experience riding young ASBs and half-ASBs for the past 8-9 years. I feel 100% safe on them at all times, no matter how "sensitive" they are.

              I highly, highly recommend a Saddlebred or Saddlebred cross if you want something sane, personable and trustworthy. But you have to know... they're like ferrets - they will be in your face, in your stuff, all over you, all the time. They can open almost any latch to any door or gate and anything within reach is considered a toy and will be played with / chewed / stepped on / eaten / torn. *SIIIGH*.... they're like big playful dogs.
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              • #27
                My endurance horse is 3/4 Arab, 1/4 saddlebred, registered Half-Arab. Everyone thinks he is full Arab but I feel like I can see a little saddlebred in him. I really like the combination and I would keep it in mind if I were looking for an endurance horse in the future. He is super smart and personable, he is extremely spooky though. He has a very powerful hind end and is a great mover. I think he could do very well in dressage if I pursued that with him.

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                • #28
                  Good description, ASBJumper!

                  That describes my ASB/Arab extremely well.

                  He looks so very "up" that one of my friends says she would never in a million years get on him, and yet I consider him to be the horse we have competing who is most aware of me and least likely to really freak (though he has earned the barn name "Twitchy").

                  I tell people all the time that he is the most people-oriented horse we've ever owned, the biggest mooch, the biggest suck up, the most easily trainable, and the best escape artist. Thankfully, he's taken to a Hi-Tie like a fish to water, because no electric paddock, no matter how hot and how low/high the strands went, could contain him.

                  Love him to death. Gads, I hope I get him into a 100 this season.

                  Fingers crossed.

                  --Patti

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                  • #29
                    Appaloosa!

                    Or anglo Arab.

                    A cross arab can be nice, affordable with good endurance and crossed with something that adds size and for me a non flaging tail as I don't care for a flaging tail in dressage nor the style in which arabs jump.

                    I look for the same kind of horse when I get one, I only have one and enjoy doing a lot of things with it.

                    Driving, working cows, dressage, light jumping, endurance and everything in the middle.

                    Of course you have to give up some things if you want others, but I would look for a horse with three nice gaits and that covers ground well with not much wasted movement with good soild comformation.

                    My endurance and dressage friends both really like my mare and can't wait to see what she will do on the trail or in the ring.

                    My dressage trainer thinks she should with time be able to reach thrid level and do some of the higher up movements.

                    Here is my endurance/dressage hopeful combo horse a mostly TB bred paint crossed with a arab, basicly a anglo .

                    I got her for free and I wanted something I could have fun with on the trails with out the worry of a $$$$ WB getting hurt but could clean up nicley enough for a show.

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                    • #30
                      Morgans. Lippit Older style if you can find. They were bred as an all purpose horse. Field work, driving, pleasure, etc.... I rode one doing both dressage and trail riding. He was the best horse!!!! I miss him.
                      \"You have two choices when a defining moment comes along - you can either define the moment, or let the moment define you.\" Tin Cup

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                      • #31
                        I second the Akhal-teke suggestion.

                        I am conditioning one for his first LD this month, and the combination of trail and arena work has worked out really well. As he has gotten fitter, he has gotten rounder and better at lateral work too, and a little jumping too. You can see him in my blog post from yesterday:

                        http://blog.seattlepi.com/horsebytes...ves/165932.asp

                        ...as well as with a series of others starting in January about our adventures. I'm getting to ride him because a friend's daughter opted out and she needed a conditioning buddy. If I were looking though, out here in the Pacific Northwest, there are the Nez Perce horses doing endurance too, and Tekes crossed with TB, Arab, Mustang, etc. for less money than a purebred. The Teke qualities, smooth gliding trot, stamina, hard feet, etc. seem to be pretty strong even in the crosses. They are a hotblooded breed but in an intelligent and sensitive way, and for someone who grew up riding TBs, it is a painless transition. Boy, you really appreciate that trot after a while!

                        My own horse is a TB, but his feet are his weak point and although he loves the trail and has endless go, his feet and joints would not hold up to endurance in the opinion of vet and farrier.

                        It seems from the surveying I have done that within any breed you will find individuals better suited to endurance, but you can slant your odds by starting with the desert types because they are built to radiate heat and pulse down quicker. That's not to exclude any horse of whatever breed who has already demonstrated the capability. Since it takes so long to develop a good horse, it seems to me that you want to spend some time looking. Find an endurance farrier, tell them how far and fast you want to go and ask them if they know any prospects or even someone with a conditioned horse, ready to go!
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                        • #32
                          Another vote for Trakenher. They are the closest you will get to Arab.
                          I have a Swedish Warmblood whose background is heavily Shagya Arab and Trakenher. To call him Swedish is a bit of a joke really.

                          When he was young he just had way too much energy for dressage and was prone to naughtiness. So I decided to turn him into a Endurance horse. He was absolutely brilliant at it. I used to get comments from hardened Endurance riders! He looks much more like a TB than a WB.

                          These days hes calmed down alot and is a great dressage horse. I just don't do Endurance anymore because keeping him Endurance fit wasn't a very good look for a dressage horse.

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                          • #33
                            Eireamon ...

                            Most folks guess that my Arab/Trakehner is Anglo as well.

                            I think he looks most like an Arabian crossed with a giraffe -- all legs and neck and loose-jointed lankiness -- but I don't think they're allowed to compete.

                            <smile>

                            I'm okay with the fact that he's not quite as porcine as the other horses at the dressage clinics, because we are the only ones who don't need several walking breaks during a single 45 minute lesson. <evil grin> We get our money's worth!

                            --Patti

                            PS Yes, Trakehners are lovely horses and great crosses with Arabians, indeed, but confess that I'd do two things differently if I bought another. One, I'd buy a shorter horse. Ned is a very solid 16H, and 15.2 would be plenty big for me -- he grew a full hand (rotten #(*&%!) after I bought him as a long 4 y.o. -- and, as we all know they get taller the last few times you have to mount/dismount them toward the end of an endurance ride. Two, I'd be more inclined to buy one crossed with an Arabian with a very rock-solid brain. The Trakehner mind has its own challenges, and while I love the Arabian mind, my guy is a little more complicated than I need, being a simple girl myself. Ned is out of an Egyptian mare that was widely considered "schizoid" and who had never even been started under saddle -- shown strictly in halter. (No, I didn't breed him, LOL; I just bought him!)

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