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WHAT IS A SHAGYA ARABIAN?

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  • WHAT IS A SHAGYA ARABIAN?

    Two European judges will begin the approval process for nine Shagya Arabian horses on Friday, May 15th and continue all day on May 16th at Silver Eagle stables, Nokesville, Va. (11506 Parkgate, Dr.)

    Friday evening, judge, Dr. Walter Huber, will begin a slide show/lecture about the SHAGYA breed.

    If you have always been curious about this very rare breed and why it is becoming so in demand, your inquiries will be addressed. The public is invited to the lecture and also to observe the inspection and approval process that will be on-going all day on Saturday. May 16

    If you have been interested in this rare and amazing breed, please take the opportunity to meet with breeders and watch, triangle, jumping and riding demontrations, that begin on Saturday morning at 9 a.m.

    Dr. Huber, is a will kown judge and breeder from Germany. He will present a slide show and answer questions on Friday night at Silver Eagle stables

    http://performanceshagyaregistry.org
    www.shagyasport.com

  • #2
    Years ago I was horse shopping in a small place in an out of the way area.
    One horse stood out from the herd for his looks and presence and movement. When asked what sort of horse that was I was told it was a Shagyar Arabian.

    Always remember the effect that horse had on me.
    Proud member of People Who Hate to Kill Wildlife clique

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      #3
      The breed IS different and anyone that comes in contact with a Shagya, just seems to naturally become a convert to the breed. WAHO does recognize it as an Arabian, but an Arabian that has had 225 years of culling out all of the negative aspects of the Purebred Arabian and refining , and emphasing all of the positives. ALL of the warmblood registries welcome Shagya blood, because of this.
      www.shagyasport.com

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      • #4
        I used to ride in a local park and encounter this woman periodically and was impressed by her stud. Nice looking, well-behaved, very athletic. If I was looking for an endurance horse with some build to it I would go Shagya.

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        "Cats aren't clean; they're covered with cat spit."
        - John S Nichols (1745-1846,writer/printer)

        Don't come for me - I didn't send for you.

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        • #5
          WAHO does not recognise Shagyas as purebred Arabians. They look like cool horses though.

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          • #6
            Some interesting info here:

            http://www.shagya.net/shagyaarabianbreed.htm

            The following is from Wikipedia
            (and we all know what a reliable source that is! )--

            While Shagyas are not considered "pure" or asil Arabians, they have a closed stud book and have special status within the World Arabian Horse Organization (WAHO). In 1978, WAHO stated that Shagya Arabians that have been bred pure after the system of Babolna and Topolcianky may be termed "purebred Shagya Arabians", and the Shagya breeders' organisation is under WAHO patronage as associate members, allowed to use the WAHO emblem. However, WAHO also was clear that "purebred" in this case means that the horses have been bred pure among themselves and are not to be confused with the term "purebred Arabian". [2] Some aficionados note that the meticulous recordkeeping of the Hungarian studs actually has produced horses with longer and more complete pedigrees than some horses accepted as purebred Arabians by mainstream registries.[1] However, despite this argument, Shagyas remain a distinct bloodline group and are generally not accepted as pure-blooded Arabians. [3]
            "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- George Bernard Shaw

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              #7
              Let's face it breeders BEFORE DNA testing, can any breed be considered PUREBRED?

              Back in the 1700's some of the mares owned by the Hungarian stud farms were "prizes of War" from western countries, Spain etc. These were bred to the Desert Arabians that were selected to begin the breeding program of strict selection that was the foundation of the Shagya Arabian. These lines were quickly eliminated as many did not match the criteria for the perfect cavalry horse! The intended mission for the Austro=Hungarian army !
              www.shagyasport.com

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              • #8
                Shagya Arabians are totally awsome and once you have one - you get spoiled They aren't entirely purebred but according to Al Khamsa, there are very few Arabians in the world that truly are asil. Shagyas have about 99% Arabian blood running through their veins, so whatever "isn't pure" is a moot point. What does matter as that these horses are truly magnificent. They are gorgeous and atheltic and also very, very smart. A horseman's horse. . .

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LCR View Post
                  Two European judges will begin the approval process for nine Shagya Arabian horses on Friday, May 15th and continue all day on May 16th at Silver Eagle stables, Nokesville, Va. (11506 Parkgate, Dr.)
                  Just a heads up in case you are not aware.
                  Saturday May 16 is Nokesville Day (3rd Saturday in May) which means that Fitzwater through Nokesville will be CLOSED most of the day.

                  The obvious alternative would be Aden Rd, but Aden Rd is currently closed at the bridge over the railway (major construction) so that doesn't work either.

                  I think you are going to need to send people down Bristow Rd (intersects with Rt 28 at the Harris Teeter shopping center), turn right on Valley View, then turn right at the T junction with Parkgate.

                  Anyone who tries to use any kind of automated map or GPS is going to be led astray.
                  Janet

                  chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                  • #10
                    I stopped by about noon on Saturday, but there was no sign of any inspection- just a couple of people in tank tops riding in the ring.
                    Janet

                    chief feeder and mucker for Music, Spy, Belle and Tiara. Someone else is now feeding and mucking for Chief and Brain (both foxhunting now).

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                      #11
                      Sorry you missed us--we were on lunch break!
                      www.shagyasport.com

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                        Winners at the PShR Shagya Breed Approvals

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                          WAHO oversight

                          Originally posted by st_francis View Post
                          WAHO does not recognise Shagyas as purebred Arabians. They look like cool horses though.
                          Very true , the Shagya is not an Arabian as per WAHO , as they are not purebred Arabians. Only appx 99.9% Arabian blood. The original Hungarian Araber-Rasse ( part Arabian) herd has been crossed with both purebred Arabian stallions and regular infusions of purebred Arabian mares. As of 1967, the breed was considered 99% or more Arabian in blood ... but no, they are NOT purebred Arabians.

                          The inconsistency re: WAHO is that they have accepted studbooks with known impure horses, and as recently as the 1980s admitted stallions with absolutely NO pedigree or relatives, into the Arab studbook of Saudi Arabia - now these blood lines are all over the world in WAHO pure Arab studbooks , because they are the size of Thoroughbreds, have the speed of Thoroughbreds, look like Thoroughbreds and have the stride of Thoroughbreds. So..........the WAHO purebred Arabian is often not as pure Arabian as the Shagya , which has not allowed Thoroughbred, or other, blood, since prior to ca 1850 .

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                          • #14
                            You know, I think it is possible to promote your breed without maligning another breed. Just saying.

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                              #15
                              Thoroughbred stud book founded in 1791 ~~ Shagya stud book founded in 1789.
                              Before DNA testing, can ANY breed be considered "Purebred"?
                              www.shagyasport.com

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                              • #16
                                A breed is a human created and defined group of animals. The longer and more isolated that group is, the more the genetics become uniform. Purebred could be any horse that falls within the definition of that breed. So to argue the pureness, is interesting as it would require a defined set of genetics to start with and the further back you go, the more the "breed" was being established from the general population. Even Arabs.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by LCR View Post
                                  The breed IS different and anyone that comes in contact with a Shagya, just seems to naturally become a convert to the breed. WAHO does recognize it as an Arabian, but an Arabian that has had 225 years of culling out all of the negative aspects of the Purebred Arabian and refining , and emphasing all of the positives. ALL of the warmblood registries welcome Shagya blood, because of this.
                                  You know, I think it is possible to promote your breed without maligning another breed. Just saying.
                                  Right? I was all yay! Arabians! But now, I'm a little offended and trying to think about what all of my purebred Arabians "negatives" are and exactly what I would change to make more positive, and you know I can't think of a whole lot. Plus I find it odd that it's a good thing that ALL warmblood registries accept them since it would dilute the very same pure blood that's being bragged on? Maybe I just don't get it and need a nap.
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                                  • #18
                                    [SIZE=3]It's always interesting to read about Shagya Arabian horses. [FONT=Calibri]There are books where you can
                                    all read. So you can read that by 225 years of age, you have eliminated negative traits. You can read that the pedigree has certainly been printed a hundred years back. You will all believe it as long as you happen to buy a horse from a member and an ISG representative for a my country. You pay for the DNA yourself. The analysis will determine that the pedigree is false. After that you will follow the horses of that breeder and others whose pedigrees are very similar because they originate from the same stud. You will notice that more horses have a problem on the first left leg. [/FONT]
                                    [FONT=Calibri]Will stallion Weiss weed fix it?[/FONT]? [FONT=Calibri]It is planned that part of the horses will enter the Shagya Arab 10 years ago. How can we write that for 225 years we have outdated negative traits. I have visited some ergele in Hungary and I agree that they are wonderful horses. I know some great successes of these horses. I can not talk about quality because I'm not professional enough. There are too many interests here and books are still being written[/FONT][/SIZE][SIZE=3][FONT=Calibri].[/FONT][/SIZE]

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                                    • #19
                                      "Do you want to Shag now or Shag later?" Austin Powers.

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                                      • #20
                                        Originally posted by LCR View Post
                                        Thoroughbred stud book founded in 1791 ~~ Shagya stud book founded in 1789.
                                        Before DNA testing, can ANY breed be considered "Purebred"?
                                        Yes.
                                        "The single biggest problem in communication is the illusion that it has taken place." -- George Bernard Shaw

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