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  • Actha

    My apologies if I have used your group to advertise Actha. Probably guilty as charged! But my main reasons for entering the group is to correct misinformations...ie treeless- we allow them, membership- renews at 95 % level, new members 70% referral from existing. $500k given to rescues and cause related full equine employment...that's the core issue...no sound horse denied a job.
    We are "casual" competition with low endurance type demands so as to be inclusive of all horses...even ones that riders don't have time to leg up for more demanding venues.
    Just want accurate info out there...thanks.

  • #2
    I notice that all of the replies that were complaints are now gone -


    • #3
      the membership renewal rate is high because you automatically charged my credit cards the renewal even though I didn't request it..... I'm thinking you do that to everyone. Not an ethical practice.


      • #4
        Not just the post with complaints. But the entire thread was removed and new one started.

        Tom thanks for coming clean. I have no objection with folks using the internet in its various forms to advance their interest. My complaint has always been those that try to sneek post through.

        Individuals that seldom make post, that rarely contribute to threads should pay for their advertising, if that is the only reason they frequent a site. But if you are part of the web family, activily contributing to threads, Lets talk about what interest you. But too often I see folks with 1-2- or 10 post show up in a forum and start a thread promoting something, usually wording it as an endorsement. And folks promoting ACTHA just seem to be one of the most common at this.

        Personally, I'm not very interested in ACTHA types of rides. To me a trail ride needs to be more that few miles long. I have to laugh at memories of my daughter. She saw on the County Fair list of events a Competitive Trail Riding class. Not knowing any better she signed up for it and showed up in her riding tights, helmet ready to do a trail ride. The event was the typical horse show trail class. where they riders opened a gate, backed thru an "L" and 3-4 other obsticles. The other riders were dressed in their horse show attire. It took all of 2 minutes to complete the run. She was extremely disappointed. She had a horse that was ready and willing to complete a 25 mile event.

        I realize that ACTHA is something in between. It's a 5-6 mile ride that take an hour maybe two to ride. But for me, If I going to load up and trailer the horse someplace, I want to spend the day in the saddle.


        • #5
          I would still like to know if ACTHA still contributes to HSUS. Can someone please tell me???
          "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White


          • #6
            ACTHA shamelessly self promotes. If you sign up, you get dozens of emails. Multiple daily promotions for sponsors. There is talk of less than full disclosure on award winners and recipients of charity monies.


            • Original Poster


              Thank you for your replies, forgiveness and questions. I'll do my best. At 65 so much of these forms of communications with their new rules are new to me. But I see the logic. It's in essence a place to "chat" not sell. Noted and thanks.
              To answer the questions posed here's my best shot for now ( always on the run, like most of you):
              A. It's a 6 - 8 mile one day venue although many hold 2 day back to back.
              B. Our high renewal rate is not from auto charge. No one gets auto charged their $35 annual membership unless they gave permission to do so. They MUST check the box to get auto charged. Then even at that anyone can change their preference ( it's meant as a convience since it's such a small sum) AT ANYTIME during the membership either online or calling customer service.
              C. We are not a endurance or advanced distance discipline. We
              try to be inclusive of as many horses as possible and after a lifetime of competing we well realize many simply do not have the time to leg up for endurance type events. actha is all about
              creating jobs for horses thus value, thus reducing the thousands of horses going to rescues or slaughter. The sad fact
              is most the horses in rescues and in rendering facilities are
              sound able bodied mounts who simply lost their jobs. Actha,
              and others, are trying to eliminate that....and will.
              D. Actha made a contribution to the 3 largest horse rescues last
              year, those being owned by the HSUS. We have not donated to
              any of their other divisions or causes. Despite the venom some
              seem to have for them we can absolutely state if I were a
              horse in need I'd pray the truck stops at one of their rescues. A
              more devout group to horses well being and use you will never
              find. Sorry if this inflames some who generalize as to their
              intent...but quite honestly Keith Dane, the head of their Equine
              Division and his small staff are among the most hard working
              devout horsemen, judges, meat eating humans I have had the
              pleasure to work with. I know nothing about poultry, I do know
              their is absolutely no association or tie ins with the Peta
              whatsoever and I do know major very skilled lobbyist have been
              paid large sums to discredit Hsus but all I can tell you or care
              about is they provide safe haven for more rescue horses than
              anyone in the world and we are proud to have been able to
              give them a few sheckles along with hundreds of other rescues.

              Thanks all...hope I did this correctly.


              • Original Poster

                Americas Favorite Trail Horse

                Ps I won't have much time to pst for awhile ...we are completing the network series " America's Favorite Trail Horse" ...it's going be great! Watch and vote!
                ( dang! Is that advertising!? If it is I will understand if your moderator does not post)


                • #9
                  It would behoove you, Tom, to educate yourself with regards to the HSUS.

                  2009 Financial Statements; Study..........http://www.humanesociety.org/assets/...9-form-990.pdf
                  Last edited by Equibrit; Jul. 27, 2011, 01:27 PM.
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                  • #10
                    The auto renew feature has completely alienated several of my friends. Hey, if the yearly amount is $35, how does mine say I am past due $135, because (lucky for me!) my credit card expired before I could be charged? It's been less than two years since I joined. If you google search ACTHA auto renew, you may find out that people are NOT thrilled with this feature.


                    • #11
                      Once again, a free advertisement at the expense of COTH members. ACTHA needs to man up and buy advertising like the other companies here!

                      I will never join an organization that contributes so much as a penny to HSUS! And I won't even get started on the issue of slaughter!
                      "You can't fix stupid"- Ron White


                      • #12
                        I have a minor complaint about ACTHA. (sorry, I know it's an old thread.) They have an ad in the Aug. issue of horse trader for their America's Favorite Trial Horse competition. For sending in a video/picture all it said was "Send us something funny, cute or interesting... old or new!". I thought great, I have a really cute video of my horse playing with the mounting block, it would be perfect (it really is cute). So I went to their site and clicked on their link.

                        Now it changes to it has to be your horse with a kid, dog or any pet, not mentioned in the ad. Also, there's a $29. "review" fee.

                        I know this isn't anything major, but it has too much of a bait-and-switch feel. I don't care for any organization that does something like this.
                        In memory of Apache, who loved to play. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjZAqeg7HyE


                        • #13
                          Well - they have to collect all that money to donate to HSUS somehow. Doesn't matter that the chance of an animal seeing any of that money is pretty slim.
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                          • #14
                            I would like to comment about this group because after seeing someone post on Fugly about something which appeared on an RFD-TV horse program I subsequently had a chance to see the same program myself -- and was (to put it mildly) dismayed at what I saw.

                            The ACTHA holds itself out in its myriad advertising venues as being a family friendly organization. That means, by process of logic, junior riders. You might think a "family friendly" organization with said desired junior participants would be safety oriented.

                            Evidently not, from what I saw.

                            In that TV program (a segment on "The Horse Show with Rick Lamb" on RFD-TV there was an ACTHA competition shown in which one of the competitors was riding cross-country including water crossings - standing up, roman style. This was not a vaulting competition in an indoor arena. This was what is being called "X-treme trail" and this male rider standing up on his horse riding cross-country finally fell off giggling like an idiot.

                            As I recall he was also sans helmet (oh please let us not have to go through the helmet debate again, 'kay??).

                            You know the old saying, monkey see, monkey do? Having taught junior riders and adult beginners for over four decades and striving to always set the best possible safety example, I can tell you that seeing a televised competition featuring a self-labeled "family friendly organization" which shows the "fun" someone can have riding roman-style cross country, frankly made my blood run cold. Just sayin.'

                            No doubt the ACTHA will have some wonderful "explanation" excusing itself for this. Well, sorry, just not interested. Unsafe is unsafe. No real horsemanship going on there. And terrible example for "families" to follow. Solely based on that I would not participate either with a membership or in any of their "competitions."
                            Surrealism: once an art form. Now indistinguishable from daily life. (Forgot who said that.)


                            • #15
                              Pretty much my experience with ACTHA
                              1. You should be riding a stock horse breed
                              2. You should be riding western
                              3. Be prepared to be judged by kids, people who have no idea what they are doing, etc
                              4. If your horse moves faster than a snail, forgedaboudit
                              All of this is fine- I tried it and, meh, not for me but I think the advertising is way misleading.

                              I loved all the misinformation on the FEI banning treeless saddles. And the hypocrisy about treeless saddles not being safe, but apparently riding without helmets is?.... well that says a whole lot about the organization right there.

                              And I call BS on you have to check the auto-renewal thingy- I went on and looked at my membership after being alerted to the auto-renew on this board- Sure enough- it was checked for auto-renew, which I 100% did not do.
                              "As soon as you're born you start dyin'
                              So you might as well have a good time"


                              • #16
                                It is simply a money making BUSINESS designed with great advertising to entice people to pay lots of money to go on a short obstacle ride.

                                Brain Washing IMO
                                "My treasures do not sparkle or glitter, they shine in the sunlight and nicker to me in the night"


                                • Original Poster

                                  Originally posted by katyb View Post
                                  I notice that all of the replies that were complaints are now gone -
                                  hopefully there weren't any!! We're purdy darn purfect! (yeah right...)


                                  • Original Poster

                                    Originally posted by Heart's Journey View Post
                                    the membership renewal rate is high because you automatically charged my credit cards the renewal even though I didn't request it..... I'm thinking you do that to everyone. Not an ethical practice.
                                    just the kind of mis info I am talking about...no one gets charged without consent and previous consent to charge can be withdrawn at any time...nope, we get 95% the old fashion way...we earn it.
                                    (Its the other 5% we can't figure out....)


                                    • #19
                                      Tom - you are clearly an irresponsible fool, if you think this is the way to keep your members happy. (You might try some upper case letters too).
                                      Last edited by Equibrit; Aug. 11, 2011, 01:28 PM.
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                                      • #20
                                        I would also add that I contacted ACTHA on behalf of the 501c3 horse rescue I volunteer at - after all, they boast themselves as donating 100s of thousands to rescues - never heard back. Nope, no one ever contacted me, even to say "sorry, all funds are allocated, maybe next year."
                                        Where DOES all the money go?
                                        "When life gives you scurvy, make lemonade."