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  • Need Photography Opinions!!!

    I am the owner of a equine photography company and I am looking for some HELPFUL opinions/comments/suggestions. We spend a great many weekends in the spring and fall shooting endurance rides and paper chases. I am sick to high heaven of people either lifting my pictures off the website for their facebook, barn website, sale ads, etc or emailing me telling me of all the people that are doing it. And yes, the right click is disabled. I believe we offer great pictures at reasonable prices and I am becoming increasing disenchanted with all of the stealing that goes on. No one, in any situation, wants to be taken advantage of.
    What do you consider a reasonable price for pictures? Should people at A or AA shows have to pay more for their pictures than people at a paper chase? The economy is hard on all of us and we want people to be able to purchase their pictures without making it a hardship.

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    Water marks....if you put a water mark over each photo people won't steal. Even with the right click disabled there are lots of screen shot programs that will take a screen shot and change it to .jpg and viola you have a picture suitable for posting. It's not so much fun if there is a big ol watermark over the picture though.
    My friend uses water marks on her website:
    http://www.photoreflect.com/store/Or...00&po=0&pc=177
    "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."

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    • #3
      watermarks on images

      sadly that does not deter people - just look at facebook pages of folks (the ones I see are primarily younger, but not 'kids' - they are high school/college aged)
      they simply do not care that there is a big ol' copyright mark or PROOF written across the horse or them.

      check out the recent thread on 'where are all the photographers' ( I think it was in the h/j forum?) and you will see how rampant and rude the theft has become....

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      • #4
        Originally posted by gothedistance
        $5 to $7 for a digital, no difference for the venue.
        Price is the biggest thing for me. I'm perfectly happy to buy a print or digital copy at a reasonable price, but when a photographer charges $25 for a 5x7 print and $65 for a digital image (like the one at my last ride), I don't care how good that photo is, you're not getting my money...
        RIP Victor... I'll miss you, you big galumph.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by PRS View Post
          Water marks....if you put a water mark over each photo people won't steal. Even with the right click disabled there are lots of screen shot programs that will take a screen shot and change it to .jpg and viola you have a picture suitable for posting. It's not so much fun if there is a big ol watermark over the picture though.
          My friend uses water marks on her website:
          http://www.photoreflect.com/store/Or...00&po=0&pc=177
          Not so sure that watermark thing is working too well: http://shawnmcmillen.blogspot.com/20...-is-issue.html
          “Photography to the amateur is recreation, to the professional it is work, and hard work too, no matter how pleasurable it may be.”-Edward Weston

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Redline Guy View Post
            Not so sure that watermark thing is working too well: http://shawnmcmillen.blogspot.com/20...-is-issue.html
            WOW!
            Sarah K. Andrew | Twitter | Blog | Horses & Hope calendar | Flickr | Instagram

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Redline Guy View Post
              Not so sure that watermark thing is working too well: http://shawnmcmillen.blogspot.com/20...-is-issue.html
              WOW! Just Wow! I just can not imagine someone doing that! I can't. I guess I shouldn't be suprised but I still cannot imagine. If I were that photographer I don't think that I would have bothered to black out that person's face. I'd out her....gleefully. The proof of what she did was on the internet for all to see.
              "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."

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              • #8
                Originally posted by gothedistance
                PRS - You need to tell your friend that the watermark isn't worth the time to put it on the photo.

                In less than 3 seconds I had lifted a copy of that photo by lifting the entire page (via a mouse-sweep) dropped it onto MS Word, then snatched the photo and dropped it onto MS Paint where I could then re-lift it as a simple jpg into a photo graphics program where it would have taken me 3-5 minutes to clean it of every watermark. All the above programs are common stock MS programs that everyone has. No special "equipment" needed to steal. That is why so many people can do it. Sad, isn't it.

                Your friend takes stunning photos, and needs to protect her investment. I would suggest she look for a photo hosting website that has the latest anti-theft protection.

                My son also does photos of this quality, but he isn't selling his. He just shoots for his own amusement.
                I think I'll send her a link to this forum. Your son does take stunning professional quality pictures. My friend started out as a hobbyist too to keep herself entertained while her husband raced. My son also races (WERA)....I can't ever watch him do it though She has taken many pictures of him and when he's not racing he has helped her when she is working one of the tracks he's racing or coaching on. It is lots of work. Race tracks are lots bigger than horse arenas .
                "My biggest fear is that when I die my husband is going to try to sell all my horses and tack for what I told him they cost."

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by gothedistance
                  You might tell her to look at this site which uses a Flash player. It it were me, I'd contact them to see who designed it for them. As I mentioned before, a Flash player is virtually theft-proof.

                  Not sure what it would cost to have a site like that, but...wow! It is the perfect canvas to display great photos.
                  It took me all of about two seconds to get the actual image files from the embedded flash galleries in that website. Not a complicated task requiring any effort. Simply download the flash files and extract the images as needed. Easy as pie and even people with 1/100th of my technical expertise are doing it on a regular basis as there are many software apps that will do it for you.
                  Thus do we growl that our big toes have, at this moment, been thrown up from below!

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                  • #10
                    5fornow, you’ll structure your own pricing points based upon business expenses, experience, your business model. The advice you’re receiving here is to give your work away or never mind...we'll just lift your work off your website.

                    Read this thread: http://www.chronofhorse.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=301055

                    My advise is to diversify, because profitable equestrian sport photography is unfortunately a thing of the past.

                    Best of luck
                    Tom
                    http://www.pbase.com/tnc_photography

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                    • #11
                      The two photographers I encounter most often at endurance rides in our region do not post their photos online at all. Their business plan is very simple: Take as many photos of the rider as s/he goes by, print them out and bundle them, hang them up in their booth. The rider can then buy "one for $5" or "all for $20."

                      Even though there's usually just one or two I want, I buy the whole lot to support the photographer and not waste the already printed photos. Do I scan some of these so I have an electronic copy? Yes, once in a while, the very good ones. But I don't have a website and I'm not on FB so I don't do anything with them other than send them to my family overseas via email along my "ride reports." Is that bad? I don't think so and I know that these two photographers specifically have no problem with that 'cause I actually asked.

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                      • #12
                        Not all of us are that skilled at clearing up watermarked photos. I think it would help though possibly not deter all thefts.

                        I'm not a pro but I found one of my photos of my horse on a website, in close proximity's to a sure enough copyrighted photo of Secretariat. The website states something to the effect that these are the types of horses we are using to produce out XXXX horses.

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                        • #13
                          when we have asked permission to reproduce a copy written photo we never have been refused ... we do put a by line of photo by xyz...

                          Some photos were used for ads others for articles

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