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  • Okay, I don't want to start a revolution but...

    Here's what I heard. We are in an area that the county is putting in a horse park. This horse park will have 2 show rings and some trails. It's about 50 acres but they might be able to add another 250 on. It is going to be great for schooling and trail riding as we have plans to incorporate all sorts of obstacles and even event-type jumps.

    Anyway, I run an e-newsletter in our area and I have been talking about his park on the e-newsletter about how there will be show rings, trails and everything for everyone horsey...

    I kid you not but I got a response from a hunter rider asking that we make sure that the trail riders are not seen from the show rings. Meaning that we're a bunch of rag-tag horse people.

    I have to say the snobbery in the horse industry knows no bounds. The horse industry is suffering from a lack of newcomers to the industry. Apparently kids are more involved in cheaper sports such as soccer, internet (oops that's what I'm doing) and other. And less kids are getting involved with horses. When we ostracize one group within our own group, we divide ourselves. We need to stay together as what we are...HORSE PEOPLE and welcome newbies, no matter what discipline they want to ride.

    www.horselife.com is trying to get an advertising campaign started similiar to the "Got Milk", RV and boating ads to generate new people in to the horse industry. So let's forget the snobbery and welcome all horse people of all kinds.

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    Originally posted by pines4equines View Post

    I kid you not but I got a response from a hunter rider asking that we make sure that the trail riders are not seen from the show rings.
    LOL what an arse. Mebbe the hunter rider was just concerned that anything outside the ring like trail riders would frighten or spook the sensitive show horses and cause an accident?

    Either way, it's pretty hilarious. I admit I've frightened myself some early mornigs with my trail get-up.

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    • #3
      I understand your reaction to her, but please please brush it off. I would bet few people would agree with her. If so, make the horse park for all the other people in the world except those few.

      I wish you luck - I would love nothing more than to have a public horse park in our area. Very nice, congrats on all your work.
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      • #4
        You have no idea how many times I've heard stuff like this. Somebody from coth posted over on the manure pile that endurance horses are just hillbilly nags.

        Seriously, just brush it off. People are threatened and offended that a group of riders don't polish their boots and obsess endlessly over bling and prestigious names on the pedigree.

        I quite enjoy my hillbilly nag and I think she's lovely. A truly beautiful mare with a tremendous heart and spirit and nothing is like the feeling of viewing the great open wildnerness from between those cute little bay ears.

        I do agree to some extent that some recreational trail riders have made a bad name for us all by drinking and riding. That's a practice I don't agree with at all and I wish was ilegal. Around here, it's common to see groups of weekend warriors with a beer in one hand, reins in the other, big mud boots crammed through their stirrups, pajama pants, ill fitting saddles, crappy looking skinny/wormy horses, and trailers that should be enjoying their retirement in the junk heap. But seriously, they don't represent all trail or endurance riders. I think most of us be sure to have safe tack, healthy happy horses, and we ride safely. We don't always match, the tack isn't always clean, the horse may be muddy or dirty, but that's just what happens when you trail ride. And I see nothing wrong with it.

        There will always be Arena Queens and then Trail Riders.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by pines4equines View Post
          HI kid you not but I got a response from a hunter rider asking that we make sure that the trail riders are not seen from the show rings.
          Hmmm, sounds like that person needs a little Southern phraseology: Welll, bless your heart! We'll take that under advisement."

          Puhleeze. Just another reason why I left that world behind over 20 years ago.
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          • #6
            just tell her to shut her eyes

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Auventera Two View Post
              Somebody from coth posted over on the manure pile that endurance horses are just hillbilly nags.

              Yep. Hillbilly nags that are in the best shape of any discipline in the world! (per my vet)

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              • #8
                is it possible that the H/J in question was thinking of the commotion big riding groups can make, heading out? Example: just say it's 12-15 racking horses heading out down a hard-pack dirt road- that is RIGHT beside the arena...that's going to make some noise. Or a bunch of kids on ponies, yee-hawing a little bit where you could hear the racket but not see it- or someone on a fresh horse getting the spun & dumped deal off their horse- horses can be bothered by stuff like that. That is potentially totally distracting to those in the ring. Maybe not- maybe she does look down her nose..but maybe so, that's all I'm saying.

                I've been on both sides: showing your horse in what the HORSE expects is a horse show environment, with its own unique noises, smells, sights, etc...only to have a cidiot BANG BANG BANG her STROLLER from the top of the bleachers to the bottom, in an indoor, echo-y arena, thanks, or been riding a perfect rail class, in the zone- when another cidiot SLAPS an umbrella open just over the rail from you, thanks. I don't want the uber quiet of dressage, I just recognize that there are potential distractions that are reasonable to discuss.

                And where did drinking come into this discussion? I rode yesterday with Mr Kat and we packed in a six pack, packed OUT over a twelvepack. How DARE we drink a beer or three over a 4 hour ride, AND pick up trash? Devils!! Fruit of the devil's loins.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by katarine View Post
                  is it possible that the H/J in question was thinking of the commotion big riding groups can make, heading out? Example: just say it's 12-15 racking horses heading out down a hard-pack dirt road- that is RIGHT beside the arena...that's going to make some noise. Or a bunch of kids on ponies, yee-hawing a little bit. Totally fine to do so ...but potentially totally distracting to those in the ring.

                  I've been on both sides: showing your horse in what the HORSE expects is a horse show environment, with its own unique noises, smells, sights, etc...only to have a cidiot BANG BANG BANG her STROLLER from the top of the bleachers to the bottom, in an indoor, echo-y arena, thanks, or been riding a perfect rail class, in the zone- when another cidiot SLAPS an umbrella open just over the rail from you, thanks. I don't want the uber quiet of dressage, I just recognize that there are potential distractions that are reasonable to discuss.

                  And where did drinking come into this discussion? I rode yesterday with Mr Kat and we packed in a six pack, packed OUT over a twelvepack. How DARE we drink a beer or three over a 4 hour ride, AND pick up trash? Devils!! Fruit of the devil's loins.
                  Well, that's why I like the old saying that you can't control everyone else at the show, but instead you control your own horse. I've met some crazy crap out on the trails that my horse sure didn't expect. A bear, a mini horse loose in the woods, a helicoper landing in a hay field, kids in a swimming pool, trucks driving down the trail, ATVs screaming around curves,

                  Yeah, it sucks when you get a spook or a leap or a snort and blow, but hey, it happens. I got dumped once over a stopsign. God forbid somebody just run out there and erect a stopsign RIGHT IN FRONT OF US when it wasn't there 3 seconds ago. Those darned government workers anyhow. It's just the fun and exhileration of riding horses. If we wanted perfect behavior and no chance of upset, we'd ride mechanical machines that didn't have brains or personalities. We want a certain level of adrenaline and "unknown" or we wouldn't have horses in our lives. Heck, my adrenaline has shot through the roof standing in my kitchen window watching that Crazyabian gallop a thousand miles an hour straight toward a pasture fence.

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                  • #10
                    We used to show in Huntington West Virginia...to get into the ring you have to go under the miniature roller coaster which was running

                    We left our horses in Kentucky to be shown on the county fair circuit because the fairs would have whirly things set up next to the ring… you came out with a show horse that could be ridden anywhere and not blink an eye at anything

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                    • #11
                      If we wanted perfect behavior and no chance of upset, we'd ride mechanical machines that didn't have brains or personalities.

                      A2, be fair, no head in the clouds here. Answer that question when you've worked very hard to prepare and spent a ton of time and money and miles...to have a class blown for you, courtesy of the cidiot and her stroller. I don't want to live under glass, I just want a fair shake at showing my horse, nothing more than that. And that's all I'm suggesting the 'whiner' is asking for. Don't be so busy making out like you and your hillbilly nag (your words, I like my horses better than that, thanks) out to be oh so superior or you are NO better that the 'show queen' you are intent on looking down on, what with her polished boots and all that.

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                        This is why I LOVE trail people! Just like your horses, nothing rankles you! Good on you! And see you on the trails one of these days. I'll be riding the bay!
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                            Originally posted by katarine View Post
                            If we wanted perfect behavior and no chance of upset, we'd ride mechanical machines that didn't have brains or personalities.

                            A2, be fair, no head in the clouds here. Answer that question when you've worked very hard to prepare and spent a ton of time and money and miles...to have a class blown for you, courtesy of the cidiot and her stroller. I don't want to live under glass, I just want a fair shake at showing my horse, nothing more than that. And that's all I'm suggesting the 'whiner' is asking for. Don't be so busy making out like you and your hillbilly nag (your words, I like my horses better than that, thanks) out to be oh so superior or you are NO better that the 'show queen' you are intent on looking down on, what with her polished boots and all that.
                            I showed whole life up until the last few years. One of the most notable experiences was when I was showing a walking horse and we were flying around the rail as a pickup truck drove right up to the arena fence, a guy got out and slammed the door. The horse jumped about 3 feet sideways, and we still pinned 3rd. It happens.

                            I've had a LOT of scary things happen at shows. Cows near the dressage ring, an out of control horse slamming into my mare in the warmup pen, ambulances going by with sirens running, the PA system screaming in an ear splitting crackle. Those are the ones I can remember offhand. I'm sure there's more I can't even recall.

                            Ever shown under a dressage judge who had the audacity to get up and walk out of the judges tent and bump into the flower pot on her way past?! Ohh the horrors. Maybe she should be called an idiot and blamed for my horse's spook? No. No one is to blame. It just happens. That's the chance you take when you haul your horse off your property and choose to ride it in a strange surroundings with other horses, their riders, and a bunch of spectators who aren't horse-wise.

                            If I've learned anything from trail, endurance and mounted search and rescue/patrol, it's that you ALWAYS expect the unexpected and ride through it with tact. The horse will usually respond in favor and you do the best you can.

                            I'm not looking down my nose at anyone. Only saying that you can't cry and whine when the world doesn't stop and stand still for you at a show. Have you ever been in a warmup ring? That's the most terrifying place at the whole show. I showed for years. And my horses did spook, and I had to just deal with it. I'm not better than anyone else. It just HAPPENS. Thats life when you ride horses.

                            If the hunter riders don't want the "distraction" then they could spend some more time training and desensitizing their show horses to handle things. I didn't see the show manager at the big dressage show running across the road to tell the farmer he had to move his cows because their presence was scaring the dressage horses. Those of us with scared horses just had to deal with it and welcome the training experience.

                            Nothing but my opinion of course.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by pines4equines View Post
                              This is why I LOVE trail people! Just like your horses, nothing rankles you!
                              That's right.

                              Just this weekend I learned a valuable lesson. My young mare spooked at a boulder on the side of the trail as we galloped past it and the guy I was riding with said "Just ride! Don't worry!" So I kept my eyes on the trail, my butt in the saddle and we galloped past a dozen more boulders without a reaction. Just shut up and ride. No excuses. My new motto.

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                              • #16
                                People are threatened and offended that a group of riders don't polish their boots and obsess endlessly over bling and prestigious names on the pedigree.


                                Looks like a view from down one's nose to me.

                                you showed walking horses, huh? And I thought you were all miss shock and awe about walking horses/big lick? Now you showed walkers? And they don't pin walkers, they tie them. Remember?

                                On second thought- nevermind. It's completely reasonable and delightful and fabulous to fly by on a herd of racking horses smack through the middle of a pack of blind leadliners, followed closely by a ferris wheel on wheels, run by monkeys on crack, with hungy lions as passengers . Anything less is unacceptable and doesn't adequately test a horse's mettle. Not REALLY.

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                                • #17
                                  Originally posted by pandorasboxx View Post
                                  LOL what an arse. Mebbe the hunter rider was just concerned that anything outside the ring like trail riders would frighten or spook the sensitive show horses and cause an accident?

                                  Either way, it's pretty hilarious. I admit I've frightened myself some early mornigs with my trail get-up.
                                  LOL....ME thinks you're right!

                                  I went to watch a Hunter show about a month ago and felt like I was at a darn PGA tournament. It was soooo silent I thought someone was holding up the "Quiet" signs you see during the professional Golf tournaments...
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                                  • #18
                                    Originally posted by clanter View Post
                                    We used to show in Huntington West Virginia...to get into the ring you have to go under the miniature roller coaster which was running


                                    What a riot!

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                                    • #19
                                      Originally posted by Huntertwo View Post
                                      LOL....ME thinks you're right!

                                      I went to watch a Hunter show about a month ago and felt like I was at a darn PGA tournament. It was soooo silent I thought someone was holding up the "Quiet" signs you see during the professional Golf tournaments...

                                      It's like that at the western pleasure shows too. People whisper to each other in the bleachers. I think the dressage grounds are even livlier with more commotion than that.

                                      I really enjoyed watching some Saddlebred demos at our horse fair last year. The announcer told everyone to clap and cheer, whistle, pound the bleachers. He said that the Saddlebreds really show out when their fans make noise. It gave me goose bumps. Those big powerful horses really struttin' their stuff, getting bigger and puffier, the more noise everybody made. The riders had huge smiles on their faces, truly loving every minute.

                                      Ahhh well, there's something for everyone!

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                                      • #20
                                        I am wondering if the hunter person has a herd bound horse who would be distracted to see other horses going off into the woods, and become a PITA in the ring? Or perhaps while she would be showing her sister would be taking the companion horse off for a trail ride, and the same behavior would ensue? Either way, the behavior would result in a score reduction at the very least for this rider. Perhaps showing elsewhere would be a better choice for her.

                                        Frankly, fifty acres (to start with) isn't really large enough to hide trail riding horses from those in the ring, so some tolerance is going to be needed at the start here. Once you get the adjoining parcel incorporated in, it will be easier. So, to keep peace in the family, I would position the ring away from the majority of trail heads on the total 300 acres (if possible) at the start of things. Then once the expansion goes in, you will be all set and everyone will be happy. Or as happy as they could probably be, anyways.

                                        What is the motivator for getting dressed up like a penguin, only to ride in endless circles for a subjective judgement and maybe a ribbon or a score? I just don't get it.
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