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  • New to driving: Ground Driving Coach?

    New to driving. I am from the hunter/hunt seat (low level) world and I got enthused about driving after watching some classes at the Royal Winter Fair this year. how does one go about learning to drive? I've read some literature and watched some videos online and it's really lit a fire under me to try. I'd love to hear input on coaches that teach driver and horse ground driving first. I'm in Ontario.
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    I'm a relative Newb to Driving too(about 5yrs) & my advice is to find a good trainer.
    Like you I had an all-riding background & Driving is different.
    You have your hands & voice. Period.
    I have ground-driven & longlined & being at the lines in a cart requires .more & different skills.
    I really think this is a discipline where an experienced trainer is essential.
    Hope you find one & Drive On!


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    • #3
      Where in Ontario? It's a big province .

      Jeff Kohler is an excellent trainer near Barrie. Check relhok.ca .

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        West GTA
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          Hi

          Welcome to the world of driving!!!!! I am in Ontario and drive a Paint. I use to show, but have been retired for a few years and just drive for fun now. Check out Tri County Driving Association, I think they are also on Facebook, also the Ontario Carriage Driving Association. One of them is having a Beginner Driver Clinic in the spring. If you want lessons, contact Kirsten Brunner at Beaverwood Farm. I boarded, lessoned and showed with her for eight years. Also, I believe Equestrian Dreams stable near Campbellville is offering lessons. Jeff Kohler is also good.

          Do you have your own horse and hope to drive it, or just looking for lessons and to get your feet wet????

          PM if you have any more questions and hopefully I can help. Willing to take you for a drive in the spring.

          Take care
          Cabz





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          • #6
            I will second Kirsten Brunner as a trainer. We have known her for many years and greatly admire her skills, teaching abilities, as well as a really nice person. Her students are well prepared at driving competitions, very smooth, kindly drivers. She has a very thorough knowledge of horses, how they think and react in training, so she can help them reach their goals. You can google her, Kirsten Brunner, Beaverwood Farm, for more information..

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            • #7
              If you and your horse are new to driving, definitely find a trainer.

              I went from riding to driving and honestly didn't notice much difference. However, I rode saddleseat, not h/j. I also had a lot of long lining miles before I drove. (Dad came down & gave me long-lining lessons one week ) Driving my mare was not much different than riding her. She was one that you had to play with bit most of the time you rode her so doing it from a buggy or cart wasn't much different. If you didn't pay 100% attention when lining her, she was happy to wrap herself up in the lines. She was an ornery wench. I miss driving her.

              I'd been driving for a couple years before the mare & I went to a trainer. Most of what I got I would categorize as 'ring sense' and finishing.
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              • #8
                Contact the Canadian Hackney society they will gladly give you a list of places close to you to learn to drive. You need to drive a nice road pony just one time and you will be hooked.
                "Anyone who tries to make brownies without butter should be arrested." Ina Garten

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                  Originally posted by cabz View Post
                  Hi

                  Welcome to the world of driving!!!!! I am in Ontario and drive a Paint. I use to show, but have been retired for a few years and just drive for fun now. Check out Tri County Driving Association, I think they are also on Facebook, also the Ontario Carriage Driving Association. One of them is having a Beginner Driver Clinic in the spring. If you want lessons, contact Kirsten Brunner at Beaverwood Farm. I boarded, lessoned and showed with her for eight years. Also, I believe Equestrian Dreams stable near Campbellville is offering lessons. Jeff Kohler is also good.

                  Do you have your own horse and hope to drive it, or just looking for lessons and to get your feet wet????

                  PM if you have any more questions and hopefully I can help. Willing to take you for a drive in the spring.

                  Take care
                  Cabz




                  I would love to take you up on that come spring! I too have a paint. I also have a young daughter and am excited to eventually drive myself and hopefully her around! It would be nice to make it more of a family activity.
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                  • #10
                    Find a trainer!

                    I went from riding to driving. I purchased a few little minis and a cart. I watched videos and did ground driving. I was having a blast and thought I was all good. After all I knew about horses and had ridden for years.

                    My little mini gelding spooked and took off. My first run away in a cart! My first thought went something like this:

                    "Oh run away, one rein stop"
                    " wait I'm in a cart, I can't do a one rein stop. I'll flip my cart. "
                    "Damn! What the hell do I do!"

                    Then I had one or two really crazy ideas, and he finally slowed down.

                    My wake up moment ended on a good note (thank goodness) but it could have been horrible.

                    I called a driving instructor and told him about my experience etc. He's response was right on the money, "Oh so you have just enough information to be dangerous." I couldn't have agree with him more.

                    It can be so much fun! But get some help starting out.
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                      Hi AAO

                      I will contact you in the spring re getting together for a carriage ride.

                      Tri County is having a Beginner Driving Clinic in April. Might be worth checking out.

                      http://www.tricountycarriage.com/events.html

                      Also keep an eye on OCDA as in the past they have also done a clinic.

                      http://www.carriagedriving.ca

                      Ah, thoughts of spring and getting back in the carriage.

                      Take care

                      Cabz

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                      • #12
                        Hopeless That trainer sure had it right on the money!
                        In my Very Newb days I took a clinic with Muffy Seaton.
                        At the Q&A lunch I asked her how to stop a runaway.
                        Her response:
                        "Aim for something solid"

                        Years later. when I took my mini for his first drive with the Club, he spooked & her advice came back to me.
                        Our "something solid" was, TG, a beanfield - just enough height & density so when he got a few feet in he was "WTF?" and stopped. Not as tall as corn which would have clouted me on the head!
                        We finished the drive with the cart "decorated" by bean vines

                        Here we are seconds before the spook - Savior Beanfield on our left:


                        *friend of bar.ka*RIP all my lovely boys, gone too soon:
                        Steppin' Out 1988-2004
                        Hey Vern! 1982-2009, Cash's Bay Threat 1994-2009
                        Sam(Jaybee Altair) 1994-2015

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