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  • double lunging?

    I am venturing over from the dressage forum. I am looking for someone to tell me (and even better show me with youtube maybe) the art of double lunging. I was told some of the upper level driving horses are worked via the double lunge. Can you help? TIA

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    Are you thinking of a lung-line on each side of the horse? If so we call that long-lining or long-reining. Or are you thinking of something else?
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      #3
      To be honest

      I'm not sure. I have done long lining and it does not sound the same, I'm gonna google it and see what comes up.

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        #4
        here is a link

        But I'm still confused because what I see on the gray is not what I see on the bay.

        http://www.thecoachmansshop.com/doub...20rollans2.pdf

        It's by Gary Rollans and I don't know what he is referring to as a "roller", maybe the surcingle?

        I get picture #1 of the gray, but 2 looks different. #3 of the gray looks like #1, I think, but #4, the bay, looks different from all the pictures. Is this just different variations of how to use this?
        Last edited by paintjumper; Oct. 27, 2009, 10:58 AM.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by paintjumper View Post
          I'm not sure. I have done long lining and it does not sound the same, I'm gonna google it and see what comes up.
          Double lungeing is the same thing as long lining/long reining. I hate the term double lungeing, however and it seems to be mostly used by people who don't really know what they are doing I think that term has come in vogue with dressage people by directly translating the term used to describe long lining in German, rather than just using the existing English terminology.

          A roller is the same thing as a surcingle.

          In the link you provided in 1 pic the horse appears to have direct reins on, going through a very low ring on the surcingle, and in another pic the horse is wearing draw reins. It is all long lining, just different rein configurations.

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            #6
            that makes sense

            I have "driven" my young horses with long lines for many years, my babies are basically working before I ever get in the saddle, it's just the way this concept was mentioned, it seemed more complex. Thanks for the info!

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            • #7
              I consider long lining when working behind or to the side of the horse and doing straight lines and school figures. I term double lungeing when I have two lines, but I am stationary and the horse is being lunged around me- meaning the horse lunges, but I have two reins to communicate with him or her. Set-up is the same for both, but position of the horse handler varies (double lunging- center of circle and long lining moving with the horse). JMHO
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                Originally posted by Karma View Post
                I consider long lining when working behind or to the side of the horse and doing straight lines and school figures. I term double lungeing when I have two lines, but I am stationary and the horse is being lunged around me- meaning the horse lunges, but I have two reins to communicate with him or her. Set-up is the same for both, but position of the horse handler varies (double lunging- center of circle and long lining moving with the horse). JMHO
                If you have two lines hooked to a bit you should always be directing your horse wether the horse is traveling in a circle or a straight line, wether you are still or moving with the horse, the horse should never just be going in a circle just because the horse knows how to lunge in a circle. This mentality is what irritates me about people who think of it as "double lungeing". If all the horse is doing is lungeing in a circle you would be better off using side reins, all to often I see horses being "double-lunged" by someone who is standing in the middle and holding the outside rein to keep the horse out on the circle, the horse is counter bent to the direction of the travel and is not using itself well at all. If you are going to be using 2 reins that go to your hand learn how to engage the horse and use them actively at all times.

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                • #9
                  If you want a good book that describes the basics of in hand work, pick up "Long Reining the Saumur method"

                  The first and third picture of the grey has a roller on the surcingle. All that means is that the handler wanted a higher degree of collection so he ran the lines through the higher rings, however with that configuration, he had no control of the hips, so after going through the higher ring he ran the lines down each side and through a roller (like whats on leather draw reins) that attached to a lower ring, and then out the back of the horse. Giving him a high rein contact and yet encasing the hips at the same time.

                  Pic 2 is just both reins through the high ring and run over the back of the horse.

                  Pic 4, set up this way you can't get behind the horse or change directions without stopping and changing your set up. I'm guessing that the outside rein is simply run from the bit, through a lower ring and arround the back of the horse, while the inside rein is run from a lower ring, TO the bit and Out to the handler, providing a little more draw and bending effect.

                  All just different set ups, for different degrees of training.
                  Pics 2 and 4 are for your earlier stages, advancing to pics 1 and 3 for more advanced work.

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                  • #10
                    My mistake about pic 4, I was wrong, I went back and looked at it again. The reins run from a low ring, through the bit, back to a higher ring to the handler. Looks like the outside does the same. Not big on that set up, it is just like draw reins, to much draw for me. Would rather set up like I had mentioned in my first post.

                    Honestly not big on the set up for pic 2 either. With out any line around the hips the horses can have a tendency to fishtail and swing around rather than learn a true bend from head to tail. I would rather see that horse with the lines run through lower rings and around the back and that be that. Also when you are that far away with that set up, then you have to flip the reins over the butt to change direction, confusing your aids to the horse, and changing your contact.

                    I guess just personal preference.

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                      #11
                      Thanks BeCFL

                      I appreciate the info.

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                      • #12
                        Look at the FAQ's on the top of the Driving Threads and post 3 for an explanation of the terminology.

                        I've published and do clinics and lessons on advanced long reining.

                        I've old fashioned videos - which I don't know how to get on the pc but I bet my grandchildren would know

                        I've a mass of photos though and some of which I've posted previously on COTH

                        Or else I do a lesson on Saturday morning and could do a video.

                        Let me know what you're looking to know and achieve if you want further help.

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                        • #13
                          This may help it has 2 links to youtube videos or you can google "Gary Rollans double lunging".

                          http://www.thecoachmansshop.com/trainingdiary.htm

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                            #14
                            Thanks SO MUCH Thomas 1

                            I will take every ounce of help I can get. You can send pictures or video here or to my email @ gallianofarms@bellsouth.net
                            Wow, thanks for all your help............I am very appreciative and my horses will be too!

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                              #15
                              Thanks Trimmer

                              I go there now.

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